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Post by nubianarcher on Dec 30, 2018 8:36:00 GMT
Channeling Erik got one of the mediums in their approved list(I'm guessing) to channel a female Dogman. I listened and it sounded amusing, she must be the public relations rep for the Dogman species,lol! I dont want to spoil it for those who havent heard this. I am interested in opinions on this! youtu.be/zZ3UV9M01co |
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Post by virtusblack on Dec 31, 2018 5:03:40 GMT
My wife and I watched this and were absolutely intrigued... Any "spirit" is suspect of deception in our opinion, however she didn't say anything that really shocked us or contradicted anything we previously believed, but it added to and reinforced it... Very fascinating, I think it might add a little bit more clarity to what were dealing with and how they function. For instance, they communicate by vibrations... So the sounds they make, are they trying for audible sound, for like, words and syllables, or more for "vibrations" and the sound is simply a byproduct? I ask because when they roar, everyone says it "vibrates" their chest... They FEEL it as much as they HEAR it. Interesting... There's lots here but if no one is interested I'm not gonna invest too much time into this post, I have a much more fun project to get to, steel plate target stands  |
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Post by siamesecat on Jan 1, 2019 3:39:22 GMT
I read the transcript a while back and then listened to it today after I saw this post. For the sake of discussion, shall we assume that channeling is valid and that the medium did indeed contact a dogwoman? I agree that she sounded like a PR rep, lol. What a good way to put it. I have a bunch of thoughts on this. Here's one topic:
Dogwoman's claim that DMs put out a fear vibe to keep us away and that they would interact more with us if we weren't so fearful is completely at odds with hundreds of reported accounts where the creatures terrorize people, looking in windows, rattling door knobs, walking on roofs, leaving dead animals, etc. DM woman said: "We only get aggressive when fear comes in, that’s our instinct." But they seem to try in invoke fear in us and delight in it.
The questioner asked: "Okay, would you ever harm a human, if you met one in the middle of the road? If they weren’t hold a gun to you or threatening you in anyway?"
Dogwoman: "If we don’t feel fear on them, we wouldn’t."
Seriously? So the ENTIRE responsibility for the way the interaction unfolds between humans and DM rests on the human (in)ability to not feel fear in the presence of something fearsome? These are supposedly advanced creatures who can step through dimensions to visit our planet. You would think they could figure out a way to approach us in a more friendly fashion if they wanted to.
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Post by virtusblack on Jan 1, 2019 23:04:23 GMT
I totally agree with that contradiction. They "get off" on scaring the hell out of people, they SNEER at us, very arrogant b@stards when you get down to it... Also, not eating caged animals? BS, they constantly prey on livestock...
On the other hand, perhaps these are just the "rule breakers"... Female DM said they're supposed to stay hidden, but some of them got caught on camera and now they're hunted. Also, fear as being a trigger to say hunt/not hunt, kind of makes sense because wild animals are sorta that way. If you run, they chase, if you stand your ground and stay calm, a lot of times they just move on.
So either way, we are at a disadvantage having to take this spirits word for it. For the record, I think she is a real medium, I just don't know if the spirit is telling the truth. You point out some serious inconsistencies. Perhaps some of it is true and some isn't. Interviewing an individual as a representative of any group is going to produce very biased answers, so it's a tough one.
Good points.
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Post by michaelcorvin on Jan 2, 2019 16:54:13 GMT
My bullshit detector is going off the charts for this one. If she is channeling anyone, it is a demon that is messing with her. I find it hilarious that everyone that channels 'spirits' or uses devices to communicate with 'spirits' somehow believe everything that the supposed 'spirits' are telling them.
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Post by siamesecat on Jan 3, 2019 16:56:28 GMT
Virtus, thanks for the discussion. Something else: The dogwoman says there are "hundreds" of DMs on Earth at a time, living in family groups of around 10 to 25 individuals. "Hundreds" could mean anywhere from 300 to 900. But let's be generous and round it off to 1,000. So we have 1,000 DMs on the planet at a time, spread across the U.S. and other countries (she says they aren't in every country). Since the majority of sightings so far seem to be in the U.S. (and this could be a reporting error, language barrier problem, cultural restraints, etc.) per the Cloaked Hedgehog map (https://thecloakedhedgehog.wordpress.com/), let's give the U.S. 75% of the DMs, for a total of 750. The other 250 are in other countries.
Here's my question: Is a population of 750 dogmen large enough to account for the hundreds of encounters that have been reported? It seems that those 750 DMs are very busy being seen by humans and stalking and terrorizing us, lol.
Just for comparison, a quick Google search tells me that "state game agencies have estimated mountain lion populations in the United States to be between 20,000 and 40,000 lions." I couldn't find out how many sightings there are per year nationwide (probably hundreds) but there are an average of 5 attacks per year.
There are 576 sightings on the Cloaked Hedgehog map, from a span of over 50 years. How many people have an encounter but haven't reported it? I wonder how many DM sightings there are per year, just for a good comparison.
The larger point I'm getting around to is that the numbers don't seem to add up. So is it possible that there are multiple groups of these things? Some who came thousands of years ago and maybe naturalized and live here all the time? And another group, represented by this Dogwoman? And there are a few accounts of DMs wearing clothing. What do people think about that? A different group? Some more advanced than others? It's interesting to think about.
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Post by virtusblack on Jan 4, 2019 18:21:08 GMT
Siamescat, again, totally agree. I thought those numbers were BS. No way there's only hundreds. If this is a deceiving spirit, we might get more truth by just INVERTING everything it says, not hundreds, THOUSANDS. Go out of their way to mess with people. LOVES to attack livestock.
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Post by kaipo on Jan 7, 2019 3:28:56 GMT
The part where she said we are so aggressive toward things that aren't known... wow that part hit home. Yeah that is so true. Honestly I believe her in this interview. I don't think they are evil by any means, just different and that is all.
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Post by virtusblack on Jan 13, 2019 19:01:33 GMT
I feel like that is incredibly generous of you... So humans see a 600 lb, 8' tall giant werewolf that shouldn't exist, that we only recognize from nightmares, step out of the woods or corn or whatever and we're not supposed to be aggressive? Imagine the early humans applying that logic toward the first sabertooth tiger they encountered... I think we have highly developed instincts through experience for a reason and we should listen to them when we see teeth, claws and malice. That being said, I'm curious why this thing gets a pass... You can hate yourself for the collective crimes of others all day long and I won't blame you, plenty there. There's always been bad people that do bad things and better people who are forced to deal with them. But with this things track record, why does it get a pass? What good will, empathy or benevolence does it have that humans don't? And lets say it is just "different" and not evil... That puts it into the "pest" category which REALLY makes it fair game for eradication (coyotes, possums, raccoons etc.) anyplace it gets in the way of ranchers, farmers or whoever just trying to earn a living feeding the rest of their fellow humans. I'm not advocating for that. But I think common sense has to apply here if you want to argue it's not evil and just an intelligent animal. For example, wolves aren't evil. They got reintroduced and after a few years their numbers flourished and started preying on peoples pets and livestock. Now they're legal to hunt because they're a pest. I'm guessing you definitely don't want that. I don't really want that either, my quest is to understand, not destroy. But in the mean time, they bring their claws and teeth with them into field, mine are coming too. Art Viars told me about some activity north of us and we're headed up later today, I'll post in the investigator section how that goes and hopefully in the first hand encounter section after  |
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Post by kaipo on Feb 4, 2019 3:51:34 GMT
Do take into consideration that when she was channeling she was communicating with a different species through Erik. The language and intentions may have been jumbled and not fully expressed or understood on the part of the upright canine and the human. But do think about this... with canines we are familiar with we all know they sense fear right? Is a dog more likely to accept you if you are fearful of it? Or do you try and remain calm around new dogs, especially dogs that have had a past? Dogs and wolves and other canine species are far more likely to accept new humans if they don't smell fear in us. Fear they understand can equate to fearful outbursts such as aggression. It may simply be their instinct to dislike fear in humans and other species which makes them aggressive... but not aggressive enough usually to out right attack and shred people to death but usually just chase them out of their territory to make them go away. Is it possible for a human to not feel fear when we meet a new species... especially a species so tall, muscular, and with pointy claws and teeth? I don't think so. It's in our nature to fear the unknown. So there... that is our two instinctual weaknesses that make it difficult for our two species to communicate because we differentiate in that area. An upright canine would need to understand our fear as not aggressive and us to understand their forms of communication and expressions if we were to ever really communicate on a personal level.
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Post by siamesecat on Feb 7, 2019 15:03:40 GMT
Great points!
It would certainly be difficult for us to communicate with them, considering our fear and their aggressiveness. The dogwoman said "they don't know how to mingle with us." Well, I'd say that's clear from the reported encounters. Maybe this is unfair or biased of me but I have to put the burden of responsibility for initiating communication squarely on the dogmen. As a supposedly advanced species that is able to come here to hunt and raise young by going "in and out of dimensions," they surely have the capability to take a minute to study us and come to the conclusion that approaching us with fangs and claws and growls is probably not the best start to a relationship.
The dogwoman also said, "The thing that I like the most about humans is your heart, and how you express laughter and how express joy. I really like that a lot, because we can feel the vibration in the ground."
Well, if that's the part she likes best about us, how about approaching us and making us laugh? Roll around on the ground like a puppy or something. That would surely break the ice.
I just realized my peaceful bias is showing and that there are probably a bunch of people out there who will shoot first and think later.
Anyone hear the interview with Dee Doss and the guy who talks to a Dogman? Dee Doss never asked the guy what the dogman actually said to him!!! So frustrating.
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Post by kaipo on Feb 8, 2019 4:06:06 GMT
This is all speculation I'm saying, but we can devise certain concepts from eye witness accounts. Now, when they growl they often show their teeth... we know now they communicate through vibration and telepathy. Growling creates an immense amount of vibration. Perhaps when they are growling they aren't attempting to scare us but rather communicate with us? For all we know when they bare their teeth it could be their attempt at smiling like we do in an attempt to make us smile too. Again... just speculation... and many eye witness accounts have had them turn aggressive toward them or so it would seem so I wouldn't recommend running to the woods and just smiling at them... but it is food for thought.
I think we are putting to much of the blame and responsibility on their shoulders here. After all, we are a very advanced species as well and technologically are the most advanced species we have ever encountered. Remember that the telepathy and dimensional shifting comes completely natural to them, not through technology but through evolutionary traits. We don't know if technology is even a thing for them where they are from and certainly not in the way it is in our lives. In fact... we know nothing about the dimension they supposedly come from. I don't know what to think about this dimensional shifting. I would like to believe it but I need evidence of that as I'm sure we all do. But I'll believe her for now and this entire interview but personally I feel like they did evolve from our planet. But perhaps what the dimensional shift is... it is our planet... just a different Earth or phase of Earth. Either way I'm more interested in the telepathy than anything since that is a direct form of communication between humans and them. I really wish I could contact the lady who did this directly and see if we could get another talk with a Dogman. I have so many questions that weren't asked in this and more importantly I would love to establish contact.
But anyway as I was saying, we are a very advanced species and this is our home and our turf. It is also our responsibility to welcome "guests" and show them the ropes if you will. We honestly haven't been welcoming hosts to Earth and most of the time when we see one we shoot first and ask questions later out of terror... which may be why they get aggressive when they sense fear in us because they know how we react. The point is, the upright canines are the closest species to us intellectually that we have yet encountered. Alien or not... dimensional being or evolved... if we can't learn to communicate and get along with a species that is so like us on our own planet, how will we ever interact with species from another world that are beyond our comprehension and nothing like us? Upright canines literally are our very first test toward establishing the human species in the rest of the universe and we mustn't fail... as much as they need to also try. But I would say we more so need to try harder because even with their abilities and how strong they are, we are the dominant species on this planet through our sheer ability to use technology alone. I don't know if they have technology. It's obvious they understand we create the technology because they have opened car doors before and one even reached for the keys to turn off someone's car while he was driving. But we do have the upper hand, and that means we also need to be the ones that try the hardest to establish communication.
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