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Post by ag47 on Jan 31, 2019 21:07:06 GMT
ladypisces said, For some reason that made me laugh, but it's definitely a good observation. Kinda reminds me of when I got pulled over by the cops a few weeks ago. My first thought was, "I'll bet they're not stopping me to tell me how good I'm driving....." As Ron White would say, "I was right." -------------- I hope Dave Paulides gets his teeth into this case. (The bear, not the cops pulling me over).
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Post by ladypisces on Jan 31, 2019 21:17:33 GMT
Haha we all have those moments! Seriously though..I’ve been all over North Carolina and Virginia and the black bears here aren’t going to cuddle you that’s for sure
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Post by ladypisces on Jan 31, 2019 21:30:36 GMT
Another red flag on this particular case would be the fact that no one reported any bear tracks or signs anywhere. Bears are clumsy large..granted they can be sneaky when they want to but they don’t try to hide the fact that they are there. And it’s not like they are gentle either...a 3 year old would’ve had some sign of claw marks or bruising even if a bear tried to be gentle. Their strength is enormous.
I’ve been thinking about taking a trip back home to see if my “dogman” is still there but I’m honestly kind of scared. There’s a 50/50 chance on whether or not he’s in the area. He stayed there for 6 years at least..but that was also 2 decades ago almost...also not sure I really want to see the jerk again after the last encounter 😂😂
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Post by Pooh on Feb 1, 2019 5:09:06 GMT
It was me, Pooh bear, who cares for the child.
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Post by Con on Feb 1, 2019 11:16:54 GMT
As a Brit, it never actually occurred to me that bears would be hibernating, which makes the dogman aspect of this story more credible. And they'd totally leave tracks like you said, they're pretty unmistakable from what I've seen, so it's definitely not a bear.
I wonder why they do that, though? Is it some kind of bizarre nurturing instinct, curiosity or something? They don't seem to hurt the kids, they just sort of take them and look after them for a while and then let them go.
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Post by kaipo on Feb 3, 2019 10:45:34 GMT
Personally I think the upright canines act that way toward children because they recognize that they are children. We humans embark the same exact emotion toward the younglings of other species, even species we fear. The adorableness of a little wolf cub... a tiny bear making us want to hug it... the lion cub with their tiny pink tongues... the pups of coyotes... all of these animals grow up to be vicious predators that as adults we fear. But when they are simply children, we tend to show empathy far more easily and even love the little creatures to the point that we sometimes dumbly take them in to our own home not realizing the concept that they are wild animals and will grow up some day.
The upright canines are likely as intelligent as humans are and have been shown in the past to be able to show empathy and sympathy toward humans both child and adult... however they are much more likely to show compassion toward a human child. I believe they show compassion toward children more often because of our same reaction toward the children of other species. We recognize that children aren't a threat and can't even care for themselves. Perhaps they too look at us the same way we look at a coyote pup... cute, harmless, in need and it needs help or its parents. I don't think a majority of cases where children get saved by Dogmen that the actions are nefarious. Quite the opposite actually and I'm sure if this is a Dogman encounter the intentions of that Dogman was actually good and he/she did actually try and help... and succeeded.
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Post by Con on Feb 3, 2019 17:14:31 GMT
That's a good point. They seem to look at us like we'd look at a monkey, almost. I mean, they scare adults like they get some entertainment out of it, and humans sometimes scare smaller animals or insects for fun too. Makes sense that they'd also look at us, especially children, with compassion and maybe in a patronising sort of way too.
There's awful lot of missing children cases where they come back after spending time with a "big dog" or a "bear" who looks after them, so you're onto something I think. Makes you wonder just how far their intelligence and empathy can go. If that's ever a possibility to study, that's what I'd love to look into.
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Post by kaipo on Feb 4, 2019 3:45:36 GMT
Personally I think their compassion and empathy goes as far as our's does. Especially since we've seen them taking care of our young when lost or abandoned only to help them survive and get them back to human parents. The kid probably got tangled because once the upright canine realized where the child could get help from his own species, he probably had him go in that direction where the kid got tangled. With that thought in mind, it's quite likely the canine was watching from the sidelines when the woman who was walking her dog found the child. That kind of gives me goose bumps, a tad scary. But also quite heart warming. This creature went out of its way and normal daily life to help a human child and make sure that kid was able to get back into the arms of other humans. He/she was intelligent and empathetic enough to know that the child's needs could only fully be met in the custody of another human while also providing for the kid in the middle of winter to prevent the child from freezing to death, starve or get dehydrated. That to me is incredible and honestly if this really was one of the upright canines, he/she deserves a big thank you. Cases like this honestly are what I look to as hope that one day friendly communication can perhaps be established between our two species.
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Post by ladypisces on Feb 4, 2019 4:18:40 GMT
I agree with you, to an extent, on the capacity for empathy in this species, but I also feel that that same capacity is subjective to the individual-as it is in humans. Each human had the capability to be empathetic and compassionate, but not all humans express that or even value it for the matter. I honestly think that this race of beings shouldn’t be stereotyped into only one category. I only have experience with one individual, but I can honestly say that that one had a very complex range of actual emotions much like a human. It’s arrogant to assume that people are the only beings capable of “studying” other life forms. If you are willing to admit that there is much out there that we don’t understand yet, but then also try to confine those things that we don’t under into predetermined boxes (I.e. they must be aggressive if they terrorize people), you aren’t doing it right lol That being said, don’t just assume the best out of that which you don’t understand either. People are capable of enormous violence and cruelty for seemingly no valid reason. These creatures are capable of much greater violence and cruelty for equally meaningless reasons. Think of a human picking up an animal just because they can..to play with it, snuggle it, parade it around...then not putting it back in the exact same spot that they found it in, but letting it go in an area that it can “survive” in.....
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Post by Con on Feb 4, 2019 8:36:03 GMT
I'm with Kaipo, I'd love to be able to communicate with these guys, study them, figure them out. But at the same time I agree with you ladypisces, if they're like humans then there's a whole myriad of reasons why we'd need to be careful when dealing with them. It'd be lethal to assume that they're just one way or the other in terms of behaviour.
Saying that, I'd also love to meet a friendly one myself. I've spent loads of times out the woods where I used to live trail running, and on a couple of occasions I got an odd feeling but nothing to write home about. This was way before I had heard of dogman (which is strange considering I'm pretty much obsessed with werewolves lol). If it was something like dogman, then I was running and a perfect target for a predator, but nothing ever chased me.
Actually, on that side note, I've never heard of trail runners getting chased by these things. It's hikers or hunters it seems, never trail runners. That's a bit odd I think, kind of shows that they're thinking, not just acting on instinct which could lend further credence to the idea of them being sapient like us.
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 4, 2019 15:19:48 GMT
I certainly think that canines in general are more kindly disposed toward humans than bears are. In fact I believe there does exist at least one factual case from the 19th century in which a feral human child actually was "adopted" and raised by a wolf pack. Honestly I would say that the odds of getting hit by lightening are exponentially greater than that occurring, but it still falls within the bounds of possibility.
The one report from Dave Paulides that stuck with me the most was were a very young boy who was found alive after several days reported that during the time he was missing he was being cared for by his "grandmother" in a cave and that their were other "people" sitting motionless along the wall while he was there. The youngster also reported that by the time his experience ended he knew that it wasn't really his grandmother caring for him because "she" had begun shooting sparks from some locations on "her" body.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that extremely bizarre events can't be dismissed out-of-hand because they do, though very rarely, happen.
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Post by ladypisces on Feb 4, 2019 15:31:48 GMT
To those of you that say you would love to meet one and interact with them, I’m not gonna tell you how to live your lives, but I will urge caution. They may share similar qualities with humans, but they aren’t. This is a completely separate species that thinks very differently than we do. You can’t “interact” with them in ANY way. If you see one, you absolutely are not in control of the situation. Please don’t ever forget that. And for the love of....don’t try to touch one. If you walk up to another person and start trying to pet them or touch their face, you’d likely get hit. Same concept, much larger hits when dealing with these individuals. (Not that I would honestly expect any of you to think about touching one should you actually see one-especially up close...unless you’re the type of person who would poke a grizzly..then no one can help you.) 😉
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Post by Con on Feb 4, 2019 17:31:47 GMT
Thanks for the warning ladypisces. It's definitely a good idea to prep for it, and I'm under no illusions that they're different. I have a suspicious feeling I'll end up seeing one whether I look for them or not though. I'm sensitive to ghosts and general spooky things already, which I seem to have inherited from my mothers side (my grandmother was the 7th daughter of a 7th daughter, complete with the precognition stuff that comes with it which my mother has too, if you believe in that sort of thing) and from what I can gather, these guys are attracted to sensitives. I honestly wonder if I haven't already had an encounter and just never knew about it, since there times in the woods that just felt strange.
In any case, if/when I do see one, I'll attempt to collect as much info as I can and report back here and to Vic and try not to take unnecessary risks. Would be nice to see one at a distance, get an idea of what they really look like and maybe try and figure out the feeling they give off. I seem to have a knack for picking up senses from places and people, maybe that could help others out if I can identify it.
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Post by ladypisces on Feb 4, 2019 18:12:21 GMT
Haha I hear ya. Think of it like every book you’ve ever read that later turned into a movie..you have a preconceived notion as to what the characters look like, but then live action reality never quite adds up. They certainly don’t look like cinema werewolves, which I speculate to be the reason for the shock-and-awe factor of encounters. Your mind simply can’t comprehend what you’re seeing when you’re taught to expect certain things..you could prepare yourself to see something out of a werewolf pop culture film but the raw unbridled reality of what they are wont sit well. Which brings me back around to the main topic..When children see them, with no preconceived notion as to what werewolves are, they are going to accept them as they would any other woodland creature that comes along; with an open unbiased mind. That might also explain their reaction to children, to an extent. I truly don’t believe fear has anything to do with it. I was always scared when I saw my guy..ran away from him every time too..but that didn’t prompt him to be aggressive towards me at all. I think to them, children aren’t threatening and they can display their curiousity without their own fear of human retaliation.
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Post by Con on Feb 4, 2019 18:58:54 GMT
That's interesting. So, if you don't mind me asking, how would you describe the dogman, or are there any images online that fit the bill? I can imagine how it'd be very weird. People are like that with spirits, they expect certain things and when it happens it's just mind blowing and hard to comprehend, well when the spirits and ghosts want to actually communicate that is. I've tried to get EVPs but no bueno so far.
My own encounter with a ghost was in my bedroom, when he switched my fan to swing three times over the course of a couple of months, the last one happening after I asked him (or her) to do it. It was such an incredible moment, that connection I had then and there and the fact that ghosts are very real was just such a fantastic feeling. It's why I put more stock in dogman now (not that I don't believe you or any of the other eyewitnesses, it's just healthy scepticism until I see one myself, I'm the same with ghost footage), once you have that first morsel of solid evidence for yourself, it just opens up a brand new world.
Saying that, it's also a bit of a Pandora's Box kind of thing. Once you open that box, you can't put it back inside again and you get all the stuff that comes with it, which I'm sure you know better than I do about that feeling.
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