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Post by ag47 on May 27, 2019 19:19:11 GMT
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Post by jackstagger on May 28, 2019 20:06:14 GMT
When I do that myself the question becomes too big, and I can't find a toe-hold. I can totally relate to that. I wholeheartedly admit that it being a human engineered organism resolves a ton of incongruities with all other explanations when considering the big picture. It's entirely possible, but the lore stretching back since before New World times becomes curious if that is the case. Laboratory time control and organic specimen time travel have been claimed since 2012 from the private sector, likely decades after our own black government had been experimenting with it in Nevada. A large advantage of time dilation is the ability to grow an organism and discover how it's genetics express themselves, you could do sterile ontological studies at comparative warp speed and find all the genetic markers you need to manipulate the organism. I say sterile because expressions, in reality, are heavily based on stimuli from the environment. When the subject is aged (moved forward in time) it retains the "present" perspective of reality, supposedly. Information on the technique applied to complex or intelligent organisms is scarce to non-existent, but it's a logical inference based on their claims about how it applies to simple plants and animals. In any case, physical expression baseline profiles are still the dirt within the mud itself. When breeding, it's nearly all that matters, you'd just have to "grow out" for testing the specimens you are working into the bloodline— or at least you would want to make sure you're not breeding a bunch of dogs that won't hunt in the real world. Like I said, it would explain a lot of the unique curiosities for me.
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Post by ISK8pdFrmaLab on May 29, 2019 0:24:12 GMT
Since CERN went online, and the LHC studies engaged, a large number of quantum physics, Q. mechanics and scores of other advanced theories have emerged.
Some are disturbing, and get into dimensional and particle behaviors, time dilation, and downright crazy subject matter that I do not pretend to understand. Who knows what is truly happening behind closed doors there?
Then there is DARPA. NUFF SAID.
Between those two organizations, projects beyond imagining are possible, and most likely have already either been done, or will be soon.
Dialing back a bit, I found some very interesting old myths while nerding around online last night I thought might be related to our discussion here.
First, you recall the Judeo-christian elemental myth that we humans are made by the Creator using "Dust". Other translations use the phrases dirt, earth, mud or slime, etc. You get the idea, that humans have some link to dirt, as though we are made from it.
Well, think about that for a moment. We are carbon based life forms, with iron in our blood, electrolytes too. Calcium, and a giant array of other minerals all combined to work in some strange unity.
During my time in Iraq, I learned a great deal from interpreter cadres. In their mythos, carbon based humanity were not the only creatures blended and set loose.
There were also fire based Jinn, who, similar to the many faces of human diversity, have their own set of differences. And other life forms, based upon other elements.
And here is my point:
There were rules, separating all our species apart from one another, each reality stacked like a deck of cards, one atop the other and nearly touching, but no species were able to jump from their place in the deck, into an adjacent card.
In the book Legends of the Fire Spirits, some of the life forms discussed sound a LOT like dogmen. From eye shine, graveyard habits, the ability to cause humans to hallucinate, experience warped reality or time, to mimicry of females in duress, and much more. Highly recommend you peruse this book due to how many dots line up with what we already covered in previous entries.
Related, I found this article:
The Mythical Ghoul in Arab Culture By Ahmed Al-Rawi Rustaq college of applied sciences Sultanate of Oman
Which has a few more dots in it, particularly on page 53.
This is not the only source for old dog man related mythology by far, but it does go back a long time, and discusses a lot of possibilities that I never read about before.
There is something similar, perhaps not by chance, that dog men share with this stuff. And it isn't good.
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Post by virtusblack on May 29, 2019 22:59:38 GMT
Dogman is a lot older than the Nazi's or any "humanzee" experiment. If you want to talk about genetic manipulation you'd have to start in SUMERIA 6000 years ago and most religions having mythos about the beings from the sky coming down and copulating with women and animals to create "stuff"... That being said, you can bet your bottom dollar if the governments of the world were doing it then, they're doing it now and they are light years beyond what we'll ever be allowed to know. It's too criminal and too profitable to fail. Not to mention the beings from the sky STILL abducting people and messing with them sexually, as well as animals. There is a hybridization breeding program going on this very minute with "them". What its for is anyone's guess, but it's going on. You can't really trust the "geological record" because yes stuff gets taken away and covered up, and what we HAVE doesn't even prove what they TELL us is going on... As much as I would like to believe something actually believable, truth yet again is stranger than fiction. IF these are genetic creations, they were created by the same beings from the sky that tell us they created US. If they are from another dimension, you have 11 to choose from, and that would explain all the other weird stuff that seems to "blip" in and "blip" out of our dimension from time to time (ghosts, demons, aliens, angels, cryptids etc). The book about fire spirits... Josh Turner recommended that book as well, paranormal round table. Using the "deck of cards" analogy of species not being allowed to mess with one another, and there being "rules", that absolutely tracks with dogman behavior... The whole "bluff charge" thing, always LOOKING like they're gonna tear you apart, scare the hell out of you, and then don't... There seems to be "rules"... Same goes with ghosts and paranormal stuff, there is a "consent" or "doorway" that has to be opened first... Some of that even tracks with UFO's which is why I think it's all connected. I think every perspective has a piece of the puzzle.
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Post by ag47 on May 30, 2019 8:25:59 GMT
Agree it's a lot older than Nazis, but they might have "monkeyed" with such things. (sorry couldn't help it)
It could go back to the references in Genesis where it talks about those who left their place coming down and, among other things, they did things with animals, the meaning of which is open to some interpretation I guess. They could have messed with genetics.
Many cultures have images of human bodies with animal heads on them.
Again, I'm not a historian, but I think references to these things go way back.
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Post by Con on May 30, 2019 23:00:42 GMT
That's a good point, the Egyptians had Ra, Set, Bast and Anubis to name a few who were all animal headed gods. I wonder if there are other creatures resembling them like the dogmen (slightly) resemble Anubis?
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Post by virtusblack on May 31, 2019 13:22:38 GMT
I think you are correct. There's tons of freaky stuff out there. I would argue that whatever we have in lore, myth or legend is actually real, in some distant past or dimension, it came through, people saw it, and it was recorded. Some it was killed off, some of it went underground, some of it "blipped" out, some of it is still out there in the woods or under our beds, in the spaces in between the spaces, watching and waiting for their assigned time to once again inhabit "our" space...
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Post by ISK8pdFrmaLab on Jun 5, 2019 8:25:07 GMT
Check out
A Restitution of Decayed Intelligence, by Richard Verstegan, 1605
And
The History of Witchcraft and Demonology, by Montague Summers.
One point worth mentioning by Summers was that the transformation into wolf creature could be permanent, if so desired.
I find that most telling.
As of this post, I am more convinced that the origins of these things came from black magic, ancient Ephesus, Egyptian necromancy or other unsavory practice.
Perhaps today there *might* be laboratory versions as discussed, but the further I dig, the data dots point toward disgusting old rituals that I simply want nothing to do with. There are repeated accounts of an ointment, a girdle and some other nastiness that I don't care to mention, that provide the transformation. And the ingredients are, well, barf territory.
What I am finding is pretty gross. As for going out looking for one of them, after reading how they were probably brought into being, I am definitely out. Seems like an excellent way to get yourself in waaaaay over your head. Tim Treadwell at the very least.
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Post by arcanelife on Jun 5, 2019 17:17:58 GMT
As of this post, I am more convinced that the origins of these things came from black magic, ancient Ephesus, Egyptian necromancy or other unsavory practice. Perhaps today there *might* be laboratory versions as discussed, but the further I dig, the data dots point toward disgusting old rituals that I simply want nothing to do with. There are repeated accounts of an ointment, a girdle and some other nastiness that I don't care to mention, that provide the transformation. And the ingredients are, well, barf territory. What I am finding is pretty gross. As for going out looking for one of them, after reading how they were probably brought into being, I am definitely out. Seems like an excellent way to get yourself in waaaaay over your head. Tim Treadwell at the very least. Well for what it's worth I think this is very good advice. Who'll listen though? Even if Dogmen aren't real per se.... psychopathy and extreme people most definitely are!! On that basis alone I think the whole subject should be approached with a great amount of caution. I gave up any digging into the topic some time ago and I feel better for it. I don't mind catching up on the phenomenon here and there but that's about it.
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Post by jackstagger on Jun 25, 2019 7:09:46 GMT
I read somewhere while I was lore hunting that there is a species of ET who are dog-like. Supposedly this is where the Egyptian figure of Anubis comes from. There is more to it which I can't recall exactly, they're supposed to be something like ET's best friend and some have gotten marooned on Earth and become feral. Not sure I really put my faith in that theory personally, but I thought I might throw it out there for anyone who thinks it is interesting.
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Post by Wolfreindz on Jun 26, 2019 23:25:54 GMT
I think they are an ancient creature designed/built by pre Akkadian/Summerian cultures in the predeulian cultures of what know is Babylon and the Arab peninsula. I believe they are sanctified by an Ancient God entity to protect people from the Ghuls or Ghouls of that area. I think that these creatures have been brought to the Western world by those entity(is) with the power to do so. I think the Dogmen get a bad rap, from destroying livestock to people. I believe there are several types; the real Dogmen whose job it is to protect humans from these "Rakes" or more accurately Ghouls.
To further complicate things I feel that ghouls can shape shift thus making us believe Dogmen are the enemy. I also believe there are real Werewolves who ate conjured by black magic. I think this is the creature that was responsible for the LBL attacks and other human predation.
I tho k it's relatively easy to determine what creature you are dealing with (after you poss your pants). The"good Dogmen are beautiful creatures with beautiful eyes and although intimidating there is no "evil" aura surrounding these animals.
Don't assume Dogmen are our enemies!
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Post by Eoin on Jun 26, 2019 23:50:47 GMT
I wish someone had quantified evidence that pointed to a definitive answer as to what this phenomena was. I keep an open mind and an open spreadsheet and continue gathering data. It's such an interesting topic of discussion, but honestly I have never speculated.
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Post by Wolfbane on Jun 27, 2019 0:54:51 GMT
I know that they are an enigma. Popular "dogman" host Victor Cundiff is in fact a NSA asset charged with studying both physical and psychological effects on preselected Milab victims. Does anyone else find it strange that Mr. Cundiff has virtuallony no identity? Of course he didn't pop out of thon air; He hosted a podcast with a gentelem named Sean Poopypants. You heard me right! He had a fake name and when researchered it came back in a simple binarycode/word substitution ( as seen in jail kites) as Poopypants. Now please do not take this as a joke. If it were I could assure you I could think of something funnier than Mr. Poopypants. The clincher was Cundiff's name in Gaelic then assigned a numerical value for each letter came back as Lon Chaney! Who and what entity is playing here? Mr. Poopypants and Lon Chaney? Comments
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Post by ISK8pdFrmaLab on Jun 27, 2019 8:43:42 GMT
Wolfreindz,
Interesting points you make. Got any data for the table, or is the friendly dogman theory your understanding? I'd really like to read what you alluded to, if you found something that supports your stance.
Not to dissuade you, I think it would be really cool to have creatures that are amicable to our race (trust me, I do not think humanity is all that great either!), but everything I uncover about the dogman phenomenon - globally and historically - places these things squarely in abomination territory.
If they are or have been our friends, they behave in ways that clearly contradict that stance. Is there data to support beneficence? I'm totally game.
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Post by jackstagger on Jun 28, 2019 0:32:21 GMT
I wish someone had quantified evidence that pointed to a definitive answer as to what this phenomena was. I keep an open mind and an open spreadsheet and continue gathering data. It's such an interesting topic of discussion, but honestly I have never speculated. I agree. There are so many sightings where the person gave absolutely zero thought to documenting evidence, usually because they were understandably scared witless. I have never seen a dogman, so in my eyes the burden of proof still stands unopposed as far as the existence of dogman goes, whereas with some other cryptids there is some curious hard evidence and/or at least a precedent that the animal once existed as proven archaeologically. Dogman has nothing that qualifies as tangible evidence in the slightest. If I am mistaken I'd of course find it very interesting. I know people say they have this or that, but I have not seen any support or much firsthand corroboration of this at all. I do find more than a few sighting claims to be reasonably credible, and more than a few to not be credible. I imagine some are essentially true with additional embellishment as well, mostly to establish the credibility of what they genuinely saw. I try to consider everything in concert where nothing is especially true, but I still can't make the things I don't understand mean anything at all. It takes time and patience to put the pieces together, see patterns and trends, gauge credibility, share theories and information, and await hard evidence. In science a null result is still a result, it's the science that matters to me so I'm not offended by the notion that I'm completely wrong about everything. In that case I would certainly like to know. The biggest point that should be made when reporting a sighting is do not embellish anything. One white lie or speculation you work in because you want people to believe the overarching truth you're telling them can completely discredit everything in some people's minds. It will not help anyone at all to garnish the truth with small lies or speculation. I see signs of this all the time on Vic's YT channel, but I also think it's good that he just lets people do their own thing when reporting due to the general uncertainty. I'm not talking about anyone specifically at all, and I think everyone's input here is important. I don't see hard evidence being obtained easily ethically. You'd have to get a corpse or partial corpse one way or another, 99.9% chance that would require a great deal of meddling. If they are as intelligent and elusive as reported to be then ethics would be a serious concern. I think it'd be a hell of a story just to see one, and honestly I don't feel a duty to reveal anything to the rest of my species who might endanger them. I don't think they care for humans at all, but that's my opinion.
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