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Post by hellbentholler on Oct 23, 2019 14:13:22 GMT
trolljegeren posted: Trolljegeren, which .460 cartridge is that and what pistol do you have? I should get one of those. S&W .460. It’s a revolver round, There are rifles that chamber the round also. Just shy of a .500. Chambering a round with a revolver? That's a big gun to carry hiking. .460 is a hunting round. Although, I guess if you know what dangers lurk in the woods, go heavy. Always use enough gun.
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Post by ag47 on Oct 23, 2019 19:28:53 GMT
Questions. No offense intended to anyone. ----------- trolljegeren posted: ..." Chambered a .460 round and with pistol gripped in both hands pointing downward..." -------------- ag47 posted: "Trolljegeren, which .460 cartridge is that and what pistol do you have? I should get one of those." ------------- Eoin posted: "S&W .460. It’s a revolver round, There are rifles that chamber the round also. Just shy of a .500." ------------ hellbentholler posted: "Chambering a round with a revolver? [yep, that's the thing that got my attention too, hellbentholler]
That's a big gun to carry hiking. .460 is a hunting round. Although, I guess if you know what dangers lurk in the woods, go heavy. Always use enough gun." ------------ Above bold and color by me .
------------ Thanks guys. I kinda knew this, but wanted to hear it from someone else since I don't keep up on this stuff anymore. (so it was a 'loaded' question, no pun intended ). I too was thinking of the .460 S&W Magnum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.460_S%26W_Magnum) which is indeed a revolver cartridge (https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-460xvr). What bothered me is the phrase 'chambered a .460 round... [in a] ...pistol.' But, in reality, he doesn't say it was a .460 S&W magnum caliber. Just says .460.Now, here's the offshoot: There is at least one .460 cartridge which is used in semi-auto pistols. The .460 Rowland (https://military.wikia.org/wiki/.460_Rowland and www.460rowland.com/about/ www.460rowland.com/)and www.ammoland.com/2009/12/masterpiece-arms-introduces-the-new-460-rowland-pistol/#axzz63CpxXkFK There is a Thompson Contender single shot in .460 S&W Mag www.tcarms.com/firearms/interchangeable-platforms/encore-pro-hunter/encore-pro-hunter-katahdin------------- So my question still stands for trolljegeren: "What pistol do you have?" -------------- Unrelated, and as an aside, here's an article on how NOT to hold a .460XVR revolver when firing it: (warning, graphic) yorkpistol.blogspot.com/2008/02/460-xvr-accident.html-------------- No offense intended to anyone. Just askin' -
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Post by hellbentholler on Oct 23, 2019 19:54:18 GMT
There are a couple of guys in the Bigfoot community who carry .460 Rowland converted 1911s, so I guess that could be the answer.
Ag47, you are right. He did not specify any caliber beyond .460.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 23, 2019 20:21:58 GMT
trolljegeren posted: Trolljegeren, which .460 cartridge is that and what pistol do you have? I should get one of those. S&W .460. It’s a revolver round, There are rifles that chamber the round also. Just shy of a .500. Actually it's a .460 Rowland, converted Sig Sauer Scorpion. I've long been a fan of the 1911 platform and have yet to own a revolver other than in .22. I've looked at the S&W 460V and it just makes sense, 45LC, 454 Casull or the Beast. I will succumb, I know it. Have handled one a few times and they are surprisingly manageable, not near as heavy as I thought they'd be.
The Rowland conversion is a $300 drop in kit for certain pistols. It brings your .45 1911 up to low end 44 magnum velocity and energy plus the benefit of a light rail and 8+1 which was important to me. It's always loaded with Buffalo Bore 255 gr hard cast delivering just shy of 1000 ft lbs. I carved a wooden replica with light attached, sent it off for a custom field holster to keep the balsam needles out of the works. Regardless, if the story posted here somewhere of one being shot 4 times center mass with a 45-70 is true. A 460V won't help, is it worth it?? IDK...
Thinking on what you mentioned above dogflabber, about them not belonging here--I often feel that the homo-notso-sapiens are the only species that seem so out of place. No other lives so radically out of balance with its ecosystem. I was wondering what brought you to that conclusion, if you don't mind me asking. A bit off topic from Bee's OP so feel free to message if you'd like. Unless Bee feels it's ok to carry on here. Sometimes topics go tangential with interesting insights...
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Post by hellbentholler on Oct 23, 2019 20:33:04 GMT
That Sig is beautiful. We need a gun thread in the nuts and bolts forum.
I thought about converting my old Kimber to .460 Rowland, but went the 10mm route instead.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 23, 2019 20:44:09 GMT
That Sig is beautiful. We need a gun thread in the nuts and bolts forum. I thought about converting my old Kimber to .460 Rowland, but went the 10mm route instead. Sig does a nice job with their 1911s, nice attention to detail for a production pistol.
I like the 10mm, have yet to own one but every so often I troll around for an original Colt Delta Elite, i was smitten when they first appeared on the scene.
Surprised there aren't more offerings in the 1911 platform.
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Post by ag47 on Oct 23, 2019 21:02:02 GMT
trolljegerenThanks much for the answer. That is one beautiful firearm.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 24, 2019 4:11:39 GMT
trolljegeren, Awesome pistol, I may have to convert one of mine.
When I said they do not belong here, that was actually a quote from Scott Carpenter, the book The Nephilim Among US. At this point in my life I have to believe in this theory, because of my encounter, I definitely believe that they are a demonically possessed entity, although I see there are a lot of people that are having encounters with BF and they do not report any fear, or feeling they are demonic, so I am a little confused. Scott does mention in his book that he met with a guy that was having regular telepathic communications with BF and it showed no signs of being demonic, so they asked BF if he knew who Jesus Christ was and it said no never heard of him. Scott then asked the man to ask BF if it was a Nephilim and it said 3 times NO No No, it was not, so if it did not know Jesus then why did it know the word Nephilim, Scott said they lie. Knowing this then maybe they appear to some people as their friends and even heal some people of cancer, as I have seen on Youtube, but it could all be a deception.
Supposedly when God flooded the earth it was to kill off the Nephilim, and God granted super human powers to the Israelite's to kill the giants, and asked them to kill even the woman and children because these giants where only half human. That is the Christian version, the Muslim version is about the Djinn, which have almost the exact same history except for a few details, they are fallen angles that are known as the Ancient people, also known as the Hidden Ones.God asked them to bow down to the humans after he created us but the Jinn got mad and said they would not, because they were better, they had powers we did not have, so God cast them out of heaven and they vowed to destroy the humans. God sent them to live in another dimension but gave them permission to visit ours but can only stay in ours for a short period of time, but take on a flesh and blood body when they come here, and can shape shift. I'm not sure if all this is written in the Quran or not, but read it in a book about Jinn.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 24, 2019 4:43:38 GMT
Bee, and trolljegeren,
They say that sometimes when someone has a telepathic communication with someone, they have this back and fourth communication that you ask a question and get an answer, but also being that it is telepathic sometimes you can get a whole lot of information download in just a fraction of a second and know many things about this other person. My question to you guys is if you think that you may have gotten more information about these entities, without realizing it, like you just all of a sudden think you know about certain things but think its just your ideas or imagination.
I ask this question because I heard about this but also when listening to a Sas. Chronicles pod cast there was a guest on there that said a few things, about Sasquatch that he only could have known if he had a telepathic communication with it, yet he made no mention of having that type of encounter. Well when I heard him say these things, I realized that I also thought the same exact thing, like it was not something that it told me directly because it was not one of the questions I asked it, so I was not sure if I was correct about this but when I heard him say these things then I knew we were told the exact same thing.
"The guy said something like "it wanted to kill me but did not have permission to".
All i'm saying is that you might know more about this entity than you think you do. Sorry if I call it an entity, but its because I don't really know what they are.
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Post by Bee on Oct 24, 2019 13:02:14 GMT
If you can make a sketch just get a pic of it and upload with the uploader found under the upper Right corner "reply" button. Would be best to post it here so more eyes can get on it. I understand how you'd not be in photo mode after and experience such as that. OK thank you
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 24, 2019 21:05:45 GMT
trolljegeren, Awesome pistol, I may have to convert one of mine. When I said they do not belong here, that was actually a quote from Scott Carpenter, the book The Nephilim Among US. At this point in my life I have to believe in this theory, because of my encounter, I definitely believe that they are a demonically possessed entity, although I see there are a lot of people that are having encounters with BF and they do not report any fear, or feeling they are demonic, so I am a little confused. Scott does mention in his book that he met with a guy that was having regular telepathic communications with BF and it showed no signs of being demonic, so they asked BF if he knew who Jesus Christ was and it said no never heard of him. Scott then asked the man to ask BF if it was a Nephilim and it said 3 times NO No No, it was not, so if it did not know Jesus then why did it know the word Nephilim, Scott said they lie. Knowing this then maybe they appear to some people as their friends and even heal some people of cancer, as I have seen on Youtube, but it could all be a deception. Supposedly when God flooded the earth it was to kill off the Nephilim, and God granted super human powers to the Israelite's to kill the giants, and asked them to kill even the woman and children because these giants where only half human. That is the Christian version, the Muslim version is about the Djinn, which have almost the exact same history except for a few details, they are fallen angles that are known as the Ancient people, also known as the Hidden Ones.God asked them to bow down to the humans after he created us but the Jinn got mad and said they would not, because they were better, they had powers we did not have, so God cast them out of heaven and they vowed to destroy the humans. God sent them to live in another dimension but gave them permission to visit ours but can only stay in ours for a short period of time, but take on a flesh and blood body when they come here, and can shape shift. I'm not sure if all this is written in the Quran or not, but read it in a book about Jinn. Interesting concepts dogflabber. Outside of what may be sensationalistic reports on Sasquatch Chronicles I've not heard too many accounts of outright aggression from BF. From reports, Dogmen are another matter, at least in their proclivity to terrorize. The DM/BF/Nephilim scenario will take a lot to confirm, if ever. I'd need a bit more evidence outside of telepathic comms with one person but I'm open to wherever the trail goes. If you've had some intel thrown/projected your way, well that's the best one can ask for (not that you "asked" for it...) I'd value the conviction of my personal experience over any outside source, but it sounds as if you may have found some concurrence which is bolstering.
Speculatively following the line of telepathic questioning from the book a bit, it makes sense, to me mind anyway, that a BF wouldn't be aware of Jesus but would the Nephilim. If not present for the 30 years or so that Jesus was alive, how would that knowledge be gained? The BF would have to read script or have had a relationship with those of the Christian faith. Knowledge of the Nephilim, if they were/are indeed here would be a more likely scenario as there were many of them dispersed and a run in or awareness of would be more likely. Would they know they were called Nephilim? Does telepathy translate word for word or generally transmit understanding through a concept not bound by language?
Another option, on the smaller, microcosmic scale, put forth by many is the off earth origination, that is a bit more disconcerting imo. If that's the case we may be in for a hostile takeover when all "battle stations" are set. I'm not stressing it but who knows?? I understand the desire to form some idea of what they are. The world is infinitely larger than we can even conceive. We may think that their presence is a violation but our DNA didn't evolve here either according to those who say they know. In the long arc we are a blip, maybe just another species' experiment, and NOT the pinnacle of creation/evolution with divine rights to this piece of orbiting rock we sometimes think we are. IDK...in time maybe we will.
Thanks for writing up your thoughts.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 24, 2019 21:25:46 GMT
Bee, and trolljegeren, They say that sometimes when someone has a telepathic communication with someone, they have this back and fourth communication that you ask a question and get an answer, but also being that it is telepathic sometimes you can get a whole lot of information download in just a fraction of a second and know many things about this other person. My question to you guys is if you think that you may have gotten more information about these entities, without realizing it, like you just all of a sudden think you know about certain things but think its just your ideas or imagination. I ask this question because I heard about this but also when listening to a Sas. Chronicles pod cast there was a guest on there that said a few things, about Sasquatch that he only could have known if he had a telepathic communication with it, yet he made no mention of having that type of encounter. Well when I heard him say these things, I realized that I also thought the same exact thing, like it was not something that it told me directly because it was not one of the questions I asked it, so I was not sure if I was correct about this but when I heard him say these things then I knew we were told the exact same thing. "The guy said something like "it wanted to kill me but did not have permission to". All i'm saying is that you might know more about this entity than you think you do. Sorry if I call it an entity, but its because I don't really know what they are. Just saw this... I wouldn't say i got any more information per se, but after the above incident that I'll hesitantly call telepathic, I did the same strange thing, I left. When I mentioned i felt i had breached some trust, that sentiment just appeared, i didn't THINK it, I felt it so to speak. I had been listening to one of those possibly sensationalistic sas chrons referred to above sometime prior to this event. I started to think maybe the BF are or could be inimical to us and carried that into the woods along with my pistol. Maybe that created a vibe of enmity that was evident. Prior to that, I'd not felt any threat, didn't really feel one at the time that happened to any great degree but it was probably present "underneath." That was the breach. I had been going to this spot for over a year with an intention to simply see in a non threatening way. My take away, possibly informed from without was: no need to fear. But no other information that I'm aware of.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 24, 2019 23:52:40 GMT
trolljegeren
Maybe DM and BF are two separate beings that I am just trying to lump together, I don't really know. I am as confused as anyone about this whole thing, but I did think that the book The Nephilim Among US, was convincing in its conclusion that Dr. Melba Ketchum's DNA studies showed that BF and maybe even DM were the Nephilim because it showed a human woman and the father was a DNA not of this earth. I know the majority of the BF researchers do not buy into this,or the telepathic thing, and it does not prove this theory, but it sounds good enough to me. We all have to choose something to believe, until we get more evidence.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 25, 2019 0:12:43 GMT
trolljegeren Maybe DM and BF are two separate beings that I am just trying to lump together, I don't really know. I am as confused as anyone about this whole thing, but I did think that the book The Nephilim Among US, was convincing in its conclusion that Dr. Melba Ketchum's DNA studies showed that BF and maybe even DM were the Nephilim because it showed a human woman and the father was a DNA not of this earth. I know the majority of the BF researchers do not buy into this,or the telepathic thing, and it does not prove this theory, but it sounds good enough to me. We all have to choose something to believe, until we get more evidence. I hear you. I wish i could place more stock in Ketchum's findings. I was excitedly awaiting her unveiling of evidence and when she did i read her report in a "scientific journal" that she purchased for the purpose of "getting published" because supposedly no other would print it. I think i even had to pay for it at the time, i don't recall. It was hogwash, I mean full-on unscientific bollocks, even to my layman's eyes. I think Paulides still supports her work, so again...IDK
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Post by ag47 on Oct 25, 2019 0:20:49 GMT
Ok everyone, sorry about the digression onto the gun tech question but I really wanted to know, and thanks for the answers.
This thread is about Bee's encounter, so let's steer it back to that line if we may.
Thanks.
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