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Post by arcanelife on Oct 27, 2018 20:14:29 GMT
Hey all...
Just a quick post on something I am not seeing many bring up here.
See... so many folk are so keen to know what 'Dogman' is... but I want to know what they think knowing is going to achieve?
We all 'know' we are on a planet that will be here long after we are gone.
We all 'know' deep down there is far more going on in the world than we can ever individually account for.
What cost would you pay for 'knowing' what Dogman is?
They exist... at least everything I have seen categorically shows they do... but I have to be honest... what makes people so sure they are in any position to even understand how it's possible?
I guess what I am asking is... why are we so sure of ourselves here? Maybe we need to think about that first.
Much respect and no harm meant.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 27, 2018 21:41:36 GMT
"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
Trying to understand a species is only natural, especially to humans who are naturally curious. There isn't any great mystery behind them in my opinion nor any danger in knowing what they are. They evolved here just as we did and developed hyper intelligence just as humans did through epigenetic factors and natural evolution. They likely evolved in a harsher environment which led to a natural development of cognition. They are obviously just as intelligent as humans and if they really desired to do so, probably could understand many of our creations including mathematics, writing, art and perhaps even mechanics... if they had the opportunity to learn those things and were interested.
My view isn't mainstream for most people interested in Dogmen though. Many people think they are demons or supernatural creatures. Supernatural to me is simply misunderstood or as of yet undiscovered science that do have logical explanations behind them. When I learn about Dogmen, nothing about them seems supernatural to me but completely natural. I fear them as much as I fear humans and bears... basically take a human mind and put it into a bear and poof you have a Dogman. But this also comforts me in a way because I understand that if they are as intelligence as us but have the mind of a canine, there are ways to develop understanding with them. Honestly it is worth understanding what and who they are, because if we can't understand the intelligent species that evolved right along side us on this very planet, how will we EVER be able to understand or even communicate with a species from another planet if we develop technologically enough to do so? Will we treat them as demons as well? Will we seek to exterminate them also because we can't understand their culture and refuse to learn their behavior? History tells us that when we meet a culture differently than ourselves, humans have a tendency to try and eradicate it... and that is with our own species. I can only imagine what we would do or are trying to do with a species that isn't even our own and is intelligent and honestly I can see it from most people that discuss anything about Dogmen: "Demons from hell" "evil" "atrocities" "abominations and likely fallen angels" "natural but pure evil" "there is no hope for them" "shoot them on sight." I'm not saying a majority of people on this forum are like that, but all one has to do is go to youtube and look at the comments of most of the people interested in Dogmen and we see if given the chance, most of humanity aiming for their extinction just because they fear the unknown.
Another concept is bringing to light that of which is unknown actually helps victims. I'm not ignorant and I do know there are people out there who have been killed by them or injured and even scared so much they have PTSD from the encounters. Treating the subject as it is, and revealing what they really are biologically helps ease fears, and helps bring comfort to those who did lose loved ones. Pointing everything to the supernatural in my opinion is a disservice to those who lost loved ones and they honestly deserve truthful answers. I believe our government does know the answer to these questions, and honestly they are doing a grave disservice to those who are grieving by continuously hiding the truth from them. The Truth is always far better than a fairy tale or a lie even if the truth is painful.
People think I'm nuts because I'm trying to figure out ways we can actually develop communication with these creatures. But honestly if they have the mind equivalent to that of man as you and I both believe, I see nothing wrong with trying and I know it would be possible with something so smart. As it is we communicate with less intelligent species on a daily basis, why can't we do it with a species as intelligent as us? Does this make them more dangerous? Yes... by all means... humanity is the most dangerous species on the planet because of our intelligence alone. So yes, they are dangerous... but it also means massive opportunity. That is why I think it is important to know what they are, because bringing to light that of which is dark is never a bad thing. But with the way people advocate their extinction so much and the stories of private or government groups going out and eradicating them from regions, I honestly am reconsidering ever posting true evidence online if I do actually acquire it for the protection of the tribe or individual that I'd encounter.
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Post by ag47 on Oct 28, 2018 0:54:42 GMT
I know of no goal with the NADP aiming for the extinction of anything.
Also, I personally do not advocate any such thing.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 28, 2018 6:15:57 GMT
"I'm not saying a majority of people on this forum are like that, but all one has to do is go to youtube and look at the comments of most of the people interested in Dogmen and we see if given the chance, most of humanity aiming for their extinction just because they fear the unknown."
I did state that. All one has to do is go to areas where Dogmen stories are discussed publicly and read the comment sections and at least 90% of them are people believe that the beings are demonic creatures and are pure evil.
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Post by ag47 on Oct 28, 2018 15:09:11 GMT
kaipoFirst of all, this isn't YouBube. I don't think I've read where anyone called you nuts. If I did, We would moderate that post. Please point it out if we missed it. We will not tolerate people attacking one another. I think your beliefs, which you have shared copiously with us all, have been respected, and even reciprocated by others who seem to think the same way. People are entitled to their beliefs. I would like to see us respect each other's beliefs, please. FWIW, I've also seen very strong beliefs change when the person is confronted with violent, paradigm-altering real events. I'm not talking necessarily about "spooky stuff." I think it would be safe to say that a lot of people who have come face to face with dogman, whatever it is, have had their lives and their beliefs about how things are, changed dramatically. Some of that may just be a normal fear reaction, or even PTSD, I don't know. Some of it may be an instinctive reaction to a very real threat. Again, I do not, nor does NADP support any kind of death wish for any species. As far as being afraid to post any evidence you find because of what someone else might do with it, well, this is the internet. EVERYONE in the world can access what is posted on this and other forums. So, if you want privacy, I'd recommend you not even be on here, or that you modulate your posts with that in mind. -------------- I will share a word on safety: Anyone who goes out to confront dangerous people or animals should be prepared to defend their self if things go south. That includes not only the gear needed, but the know-how to use it. It may or may not prevent injury or death. Safety gear of any kind does not guarantee safety, it just improves the odds. Anthropomorphization of an unknown could lead a person to disregard their own safety and the safety of those they bring into their activity. It's happened with bears and other dangerous animals where the people involved ended up being lunch. Keep that in mind. I do not want anyone to do anything stupid and get hurt or worse. I don't want that advocated. If you're going to put your head in a lion's mouth, do it KNOWING what might happen. -------------- Have a great day!
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Post by ag47 on Oct 28, 2018 19:15:08 GMT
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Post by jeritadamson on Oct 29, 2018 0:34:10 GMT
I’m just so happy to have this place where everyone is interested in these creatures. There is so much we don’t know. Most of my information comes from listening to Vic Cundiff’s interviews with people who encountered various types of these creatures. It seems there are several species of them. The entire subject is so incredibly fascinating. We’ve all stepped outside the paradigm of establishment biology to entertain seriously the existence of these creatures and of other cryptids. Our exit from the old paradigm took courage. We have the strength of mind, too, to entertain outlandish considerations, hopefully without compromising our essential humanity. Luckily our core belief is merely about the existence of an unknown species and not about ultimate truths of all creation. A joke here is we believe in Dogman, not in any dogma. Maybe belief is too strong a word for some of us. One of the most intriguing things I’ve heard is the interview with the man who as a boy witnessed two dog-headed men or cynocephali. This is such a wonderful subject. Again, so glad to be here.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 29, 2018 3:45:47 GMT
kaipo First of all, this isn't YouBube. I don't think I've read where anyone called you nuts. If I did, We would moderate that post. Please point it out if we missed it. We will not tolerate people attacking one another. I think your beliefs, which you have shared copiously with us all, have been respected, and even reciprocated by others who seem to think the same way. People are entitled to their beliefs. I would like to see us respect each other's beliefs, please. FWIW, I've also seen very strong beliefs change when the person is confronted with violent, paradigm-altering real events. I'm not talking necessarily about "spooky stuff." I think it would be safe to say that a lot of people who have come face to face with dogman, whatever it is, have had their lives and their beliefs about how things are, changed dramatically. Some of that may just be a normal fear reaction, or even PTSD, I don't know. Some of it may be an instinctive reaction to a very real threat. Again, I do not, nor does NADP support any kind of death wish for any species. As far as being afraid to post any evidence you find because of what someone else might do with it, well, this is the internet. EVERYONE in the world can access what is posted on this and other forums. So, if you want privacy, I'd recommend you not even be on here, or that you modulate your posts with that in mind. -------------- I will share a word on safety: Anyone who goes out to confront dangerous people or animals should be prepared to defend their self if things go south. That includes not only the gear needed, but the know-how to use it. It may or may not prevent injury or death. Safety gear of any kind does not guarantee safety, it just improves the odds. Anthropomorphization of an unknown could lead a person to disregard their own safety and the safety of those they bring into their activity. It's happened with bears and other dangerous animals where the people involved ended up being lunch. Keep that in mind. I do not want anyone to do anything stupid and get hurt or worse. I don't want that advocated. If you're going to put your head in a lion's mouth, do it KNOWING what might happen. -------------- Have a great day!
-------------------------------------- I never stated that NADP is out to exterminate them and in fact I made it quite clear that I said a majority of people here aren't wanting harm to the creatures but simply want to know more about them and are interested in the subject. I also pointed out where a majority of the people roam that are talking about wanting them exterminated. As for the concept of leaving if I want privacy, we are all aware through eye witness accounts that there is likely an organization out that specializes in killing these creatures. Whether it is government or private or a combination of both no one is really certain of. My point was that if I were to make contact with one of these creatures on a good basis and ended up with very good evidence in their existence, I wouldn't want to put that creature or his tribe of Dogmen in any danger by accidentally exposing their location so that whoever it is that works in that organization could do their deed. Not to mention if the evidence was that full proof, the amount of people that would swarm that area just to get a glimpse of said creature would likely piss the Dogmen off and put both them and people's lives in potential danger.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 29, 2018 3:46:58 GMT
I’m just so happy to have this place where everyone is interested in these creatures. There is so much we don’t know. Most of my information comes from listening to Vic Cundiff’s interviews with people who encountered various types of these creatures. It seems there are several species of them. The entire subject is so incredibly fascinating. We’ve all stepped outside the paradigm of establishment biology to entertain seriously the existence of these creatures and of other cryptids. Our exit from the old paradigm took courage. We have the strength of mind, too, to entertain outlandish considerations, hopefully without compromising our essential humanity. Luckily our core belief is merely about the existence of an unknown species and not about ultimate truths of all creation. A joke here is we believe in Dogman, not in any dogma. Maybe belief is too strong a word for some of us. One of the most intriguing things I’ve heard is the interview with the man who as a boy witnessed two dog-headed men or cynocephali. This is such a wonderful subject. Again, so glad to be here. I am too really happy that there is a place where people can come together and actually discuss Dogmen. A forum was what I was exactly what I was looking for so that we could discuss everything about them and not just get stuck on Youtube listening to other people's discussions about them.
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Post by ag47 on Oct 29, 2018 3:50:41 GMT
Like I said, don't post anything you don't want everyone to see (that includes big bro).
Your opinions are welcome. No one's arguing with you.
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Post by arcanelife on Oct 30, 2018 23:02:43 GMT
I want to echo everybody here who has voiced their support for having such a great place to be able to share their opinions.
The bottom line is we are all in the same boat on this topic... and it seems whomever has their life touched by this subject is affected one way or another.
I'm grateful for the community
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Post by Dreamer on Jun 7, 2020 17:44:05 GMT
I know of no goal with the NADP aiming for the extinction of anything. Also, I personally do not advocate any such thing. I think you are treading into very dangerous waters. These creatures I believe are sentinels or small g gods who were given the authority to watch and protect certain sacred areas by the ancient people's whom once dwelt here. If Iam right you cannot communicate verbally since they would have no reason to. Communication often compromises of concessions between the two entities. I don't think DM has any wish to compromise. Iam also certain in my belief that these are ethereal creatures who have many powers we cannot even speculate about. I believe these are shape shifters who can also manifest a variety of paranormal activity. An example I think is fitting is that many people have trained BF by feeding them. I don't know of any reliable reports of DM being acclimated in this way. The very nature of these creatures is to frighten, scare, terrorize at least and if it ever comes down to fighting these beasts they are well equipped to make mincemeat out a unit of our special forces soldiers. In my opinion trying to establish communication between our two species is like trying to befriend a demon ( which they very could be). It is very easy to inadvertently open a door that cannot be shut. Beware these entities are evil and no knowledge is worth the risk to your body, mind or soul. ***see my response*** -admin
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Post by ag47 on Jun 7, 2020 19:39:38 GMT
@guest -
Not sure what my quote has to do with it. I stand by what I said, and it might be that you didn't understand it.
Actually I think a lot along the same lines as you do regarding DM. I personally think trying to communicate with them is a good way to go Missing 411. I don't agree with a lot of opinions I hear, but people are entitled to them, so if people want to discuss trying to communicate with them, well, there was that guy in Alaska who thought he had connected with a bunch of grizzly bears.... I feel DM (and some other things) are not quite flesh and blood as we are, but something else that is not always the same thing. I don't have any science to back that up, just basing this opinion on my collective intake of encounter anecdotes.
One thing over which I've expressed a concern in the past is that, while people have a right to their opinons and to knowingly do risky things if they are adults, it concerns me that someone suggesting trying to communicate with these things or to seek an encounter might spur someone (like maybe a group of teens, for example) to go out just for the 'fun' of it and seek these things not realizing what they are getting into.
NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE.
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Post by Dreamer on Jun 7, 2020 19:59:06 GMT
Sorry I didn't mean to put that quote in but I do agree wholeheartedly on what you said about these creatures. I equate it to Angels who are wholly spiritual but at times can at least appear to be wholly physical and appear to engage in mundane physical tasks like eating etc.
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Post by Con on Jun 8, 2020 22:46:19 GMT
I'm one of those people that just has to know. Ever since I was a kid I've had encounters that I couldn't explain, when I was young I just knew these things were out of the ordinary. So much weird stuff has happened around me, even seeming like it's been drawn to me. Without giving away personal details, my family has strong connections to the paranormal on my mother's side. No Psychic Sally type of stuff, but more real "weird" stuff.
Growing up, I've noticed it happening more and more obviously, and then the incident with the fan (sounds like a chapter title from A Series of Unfortunate Events lol) was about as obvious as could be for the existence of ghosts. Knowing about the strange stuff on my mother's side, and how this stuff keeps happening around me, I just can't not look into it. If I don't and something big happens, I'll have no idea what to do.
As for dogman, I've had no encounters myself, but there's just something about it that I need to dig deeper. It could be simple curiosity, it could be something more, I don't really know. But with all the encounters I've heard and supposed sightings around the world, I just can't not want to look into it. I don't know if they're werewolves or wolf people (personally the werewolf angle is starting to look a lot more real) but it's something I want to document and understand.
I get people that don't though, Timothy Treadwell was a wake up call for everyone. Make no mistake, I'm not going to hug one when I see it, but simply seeing them at a distance, recording behaviour, figuring them out, that's what I want to do. I know it's the whole "You don't want to know because knowing could be too much" but for me, that stuff is already real. This would just be confirmation at this point.
Plus, if they turn out to be werewolves, maybe I can have a coffee and a chat with them? We've already got Interview with the Vampire, so why not Interview with the Werewolf lol
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