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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 15, 2021 16:54:05 GMT
I've not heard Marvin, I'll give him a listen. Thanks for the link.
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Post by Kiyona on Feb 26, 2021 4:10:37 GMT
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Post by carljenkins on Mar 2, 2021 11:52:04 GMT
How about this one? It's about an alleged shooting/killing of a dogman at a Pennsyvania campground in May 2020.
I got it off the dogman sub on reddit. It sounds compelling. Is it true? I don't know.
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Post by trolljegeren on Mar 2, 2021 23:15:11 GMT
I have my doubts about it being true but who knows. That many people involved, not one picture remaining and no story outside of a YT video is questionable IMO. Good story though.
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Post by carljenkins on Mar 3, 2021 6:49:57 GMT
I have my doubts about it being true but who knows. That many people involved, not one picture remaining and no story outside of a YT video is questionable IMO. Good story though. Then we have the standard MIBs coming in and deleting pictures and shutting people up, which is par for the course for all encounters where law enforcement and government agencies become involved. Still, I think it is remotely plausible. My personal opinion is that the government, right or wrong, does have a legitimate motive for suppressing information confirming the existence of sasquatch/dogman. If the gov were to confirm the existence of these species then: 1. The Endangered Species Act of 1973 would definitely become a major factor in shutting down the logging industry, which would heavily affect the economy. Unless the government actually has an idea of the population of the sasquatch and dogman species. My personal opinion is that if sasquatch and dogman does indeed exist, they are not endangered, and they do in fact have a viable population. These creatures have been seen in all the lower 48 states, Canada, and Alaska, with the exception being Hawaii of course. To me, this indicates that the species is widespread. 2. The government would have to admit and accept responsibility for not properly warning and educating people of the existence of these creatures. That is not going to happen. When was the last time the government accepted responsibility. Admitting responsibility would open up the government to all kinds of wrongful death lawsuits, negligence lawsuits, etc, etc. No, the government is too deep into this, so I highly doubt the government will ever voluntarily admit anything. If ever irrefutable evidence does come out, like someone producing a body, then the government will probably act surprised and will with hold any prior knowledge of these creatures so as to avoid legal liability for these creatures. 3. The national parks and national forests of course would lose revenue, and possibly become off limits if the sasquatch and dogman species are determined to be endangered species. But I highly doubt it since the anectdotal evidence seems to indicate the species is widespread and not just confined to the national parks, national forests, game preserves, etc. 4. Possible short term panic. These creatures are increasingly being reported in rural areas and even suburban areas. I'm not even sure if the government knows enough of these creatures to know if they are natural evolved species, or have a different origin (i.e. alternate dimension, etc). Maybe the government is still trying to find out more about these creatures.
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Post by trolljegeren on Mar 3, 2021 14:06:42 GMT
I have my doubts about it being true but who knows. That many people involved, not one picture remaining and no story outside of a YT video is questionable IMO. Good story though. Then we have the standard MIBs coming in and deleting pictures and shutting people up, which is par for the course for all encounters where law enforcement and government agencies become involved. Still, I think it is remotely plausible. My personal opinion is that the government, right or wrong, does have a legitimate motive for suppressing information confirming the existence of sasquatch/dogman. If the gov were to confirm the existence of these species then: 1. The Endangered Species Act of 1973 would definitely become a major factor in shutting down the logging industry, which would heavily affect the economy. Unless the government actually has an idea of the population of the sasquatch and dogman species. My personal opinion is that if sasquatch and dogman does indeed exist, they are not endangered, and they do in fact have a viable population. These creatures have been seen in all the lower 48 states, Canada, and Alaska, with the exception being Hawaii of course. To me, this indicates that the species is widespread. 2. The government would have to admit and accept responsibility for not properly warning and educating people of the existence of these creatures. That is not going to happen. When was the last time the government accepted responsibility. Admitting responsibility would open up the government to all kinds of wrongful death lawsuits, negligence lawsuits, etc, etc. No, the government is too deep into this, so I highly doubt the government will ever voluntarily admit anything. If ever irrefutable evidence does come out, like someone producing a body, then the government will probably act surprised and will with hold any prior knowledge of these creatures so as to avoid legal liability for these creatures. 3. The national parks and national forests of course would lose revenue, and possibly become off limits if the sasquatch and dogman species are determined to be endangered species. But I highly doubt it since the anectdotal evidence seems to indicate the species is widespread and not just confined to the national parks, national forests, game preserves, etc. 4. Possible short term panic. These creatures are increasingly being reported in rural areas and even suburban areas. I'm not even sure if the government knows enough of these creatures to know if they are natural evolved species, or have a different origin (i.e. alternate dimension, etc). Maybe the government is still trying to find out more about these creatures. Yeah, I hear you. The govt cover-up is an often cited event in sightings but especially where some sort of proof is involved. I'm thinking of the sasquatch shot in WV where a puddle of blood was left and scooped up by a ranger or mib type, don't recall which but he said he was visited by the latter. I think I'm inherently doubtful when the story is being told/read by someone other that the witness. It's hard to judge in that case. Dogman and government conspiracies are so cliche it's hard to believe and at the same time I'm sure that's how it is...That's the disinformation campaign at work! Hunter shoots a bf--good story, I think it's legit: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYPMU5wEcvw&feature=emb_titleI know it's often been claimed that the endangered species act and the discovery of large bipedal cryptids won't bode well for industry but I've my doubts on that too. The "regulatory" agencies are pretty much representing the industry they are meant to regulate. The Spotted Owl situation was a convenient way to blame environmentalists for loss of forestry jobs when in fact it was industry doing what it always does: cutting costs, ie jobs, improving profit margins through mechanization. And the fact that most of the big trees were gone by the time the spotted owl "arrived" on the scene. Shipping logs to China for processing is somehow cheaper?!?! Those agencies barely regulate to preserve our own species, glyphosphate comes to mind...Are we surprised to find that the EPA and Monsanto have a revolving door? But I see the point, It would at least be a pesky thorn the conservationists would use against extraction industries. It may be the govt keeps it quiet for the same reason they do with UAPs, they see it as a security issue not a science question. Still doesn't make sense to me and plenty of others. I'd bet a good bit they've had bodies and they've done the tests. Maybe they have a clear picture, maybe not. It's maddening we don't have access to so many research findings we footed the bill for.
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Post by somerandomuser on Mar 5, 2021 23:04:03 GMT
I agree regulators do represent the industry which they are meant to regulate. I have a feeling that the government won't be held to task either because so many in the population already think it's a joke when it comes to BF/DM that they can reasonably say " We thought it was a joke like everyone else". Even if they knew it'd be quickly forgotten. I can't see it impacting logging, mining or oil much because there are environmental studies before a site is designated for work so if those scientists didn't run into them or mention it then it literally won't be re-evaluated. I ran into a document once for a train line up in Canada where they mentioned bigfoot this was going over Indigenous People's land but it I believe has gone through. I kind of doubt that these things are as endangered as one may think they operate between the fringes and right along side of humans with out much detection they both are masters of avoiding humans.
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Post by Kiyona on Mar 6, 2021 4:05:53 GMT
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Post by carljenkins on Mar 6, 2021 5:55:11 GMT
I'll give him a listen. This is the first time that Vic Cundiff actually came out and said he caught a witness in a lie, and he decided not to put them on, so he went with Marvin tonight. Since I was getting ready for work, I didn't catch the rest. I'll listen to the whole episode later on. Thing about Marvin, is he says the "mind you" a lot, and pronounces dogs as "DUG" vs the normal pronunciation of "DAWG".
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Post by Minnesota watcher on Mar 6, 2021 15:51:44 GMT
I think Vic has informed us that he had to reject a liar at least once before this week. That is to his great credit. He usually has first person interviews with people who had encounters, too. All this is to his great credit. He is a rare source of pretty reliable dog man evidence. Thanks Vic!
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Post by Kiyona on Mar 6, 2021 17:10:28 GMT
I'll give him a listen. This is the first time that Vic Cundiff actually came out and said he caught a witness in a lie, and he decided not to put them on, so he went with Marvin tonight. Since I was getting ready for work, I didn't catch the rest. I'll listen to the whole episode later on. Thing about Marvin, is he says the "mind you" a lot, and pronounces dogs as "DUG" vs the normal pronunciation of "DAWG". (who cares how he pronounces 'dog'... many people in usa don't speak 'proper' english, esp from the southen areas. english is probably the most commonly spoken language on the planet, but it's by no means the 'best' and it is spoken differently everyhwere.)
Anyway, about this guy, Marvin is a character and I love his passion when he does a story. Even I have to listen carefully to understand him sometimes. I doubt his feelings are fake, but hopefully the people who give him the stories to tell were telling him something that really happened, and not just making it up.
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Post by carljenkins on Mar 7, 2021 6:29:40 GMT
I'll give him a listen. This is the first time that Vic Cundiff actually came out and said he caught a witness in a lie, and he decided not to put them on, so he went with Marvin tonight. Since I was getting ready for work, I didn't catch the rest. I'll listen to the whole episode later on. Thing about Marvin, is he says the "mind you" a lot, and pronounces dogs as "DUG" vs the normal pronunciation of "DAWG". (who cares how he pronounces 'dog'... many people in usa don't speak 'proper' english, esp from the southen areas. english is probably the most commonly spoken language on the planet, but it's by no means the 'best' and it is spoken differently everyhwere.)
I just thought I would mention it because I have NEVER heard the word dog pronounced that way, now where, even deep in the south. So I thought it was interesting. No need to get all upset about it.
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Post by Kiyona on Apr 4, 2021 23:39:43 GMT
youtu.be/A4LsoUDynZ0Episode 240 Do you think this was a dogman or sasquatch? Real story anyone? Has NADP investigated this? I am curious because I don't live far from here.
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