DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 19, 2019 6:42:02 GMT
First encounter
I lived in an apartment complex when I was in high school, and loved to hunt there , it was only six feet away from the parking lot, I almost lived in those woods they had beautiful oak trees there with trails under them, so one day I was hunting with my bow in a cow pasture which had a barb wire fence separating it from these woods, I had shot a rabbit there a few days earlier, with a razor blade arrow.
I was walking down the fence line in the pasture heading towards the corner where the fence went off to the left towards the apartments when I heard something large in the woods coming strait towards me, crashing through the brush, and sounded bipedal, it made me really curious because it was very thick woods and hard to walk through, and besides that no one ever went in this part of the woods except for me, these were like my woods. I called out , “who are you”, What are you doing here, and no answer, so I repeated it, still no answer yet they kept coming closer to me, till they got about 25 feet from me, and it made me mad, so I almost jumped over the fence and ran over there to see who was only 25 feet away from me and did not want to answer, but then I remembered that I had seen a man in his 40s with a long barreled revolver, on his hip, across the creek coming from an area that had an abandoned barn and that area always gave me the creeps, so I just never went there, so I caught myself right before I jumped over the fence and said, no something does not seem right here. By this time I was at the corner of the fence line so I turned left and continued to follow the fence line towards my apartment. Then I heard bipedal steps of this what I thought was a person because 40 years ago we did not believe in Bigfoot, or anything like that. I stopped walking and it stopped, so I started walking again and it also started walking along side of me about 15-25 feet from me. The woods were very thick in Louisiana, so you could not see through them. As I walked I made sure my razor blade arrow was well notched , and never took my eyes off of who was walking parallel from me, and then it came to a part of the woods that I could never get through, because there was a different type of bushes there about 5-6 feet tall that were very very sharp, once I shot a bird there, and tried everything I could to get in there to get my bird and could not crawl under it or go over it, and I was not afraid to go through brush, I had scratched my left eye twice and had to get the top layer of skin removed by an eye doctor from going through brush in those woods. This thing started crashing through this brush as I started to walk very fast and then I saw just for a split second a very very tall black figure crashing through this stuff, it was solid black maybe 8-10 feet tall, it had to be huge to step over the top of these 5-6 foot tall bushes, I could see from about the chest up, it had its arms in the air and out in front of him, and his torso leaned forward, but did not see any cloths which I thought was weird, that's when it hit me, that it was not a man it was something else, I had no idea what it was, all I saw was like a black silhouette type figure. I took off running and it did also and paralleled me all the way to the parking lot, when it reached a large tree right there next to the parking lot it sounded like it started smashing and snapping large tree limbs from the tree, like maybe 4-6 inches in diameter, I jumped the fence and ran right into my apartment, which was facing the woods about about 50-75 feet away.
I never got the impression it was a Bigfoot, I thought it was something paranormal but did not have a clue to what it was, we did not have internet back then.
For years I thought about why this creature decided to do this to me, and the only thing I could think of was that I shot that rabbit a few days earlier and immediately cut it open to clean it in the pasture but as I started to skin it I saw it had worms under the skin so I left it there.
These woods were not very large only about 1/4 mile by about 1/2 mile long, and in an urban setting in a city, so I said to myself nahh, no way it could be a Bigfoot, but was it?
So I do not shoot anything I don't eat and do not even try to break the smallest twig when I'm in the woods no matter how thick they are, or smash down any grass or make a trail, and when I take a leak, if its possible I dig a small hole and then cover it up. If I have someone with me I ask that they whisper, and feel like we should respect our woods and the animals and of course the paranormal creatures that live in it.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 19, 2019 23:17:37 GMT
That's an interesting account dogflabber. You're right, doesn't appear to be sasquatch habitat from how you describe it. Seems to me the dogman events take place in more populated fringe areas as you mention. It's almost as if they need to be around humans or at least want to be so they can enjoy(thrive off of?) the terror they manifest in us.
It's another case where the mystery won't ever be solved, I've had a couple of similar and they still haunt me for that reason. Respect is a good practice to follow while out in the wilds, it's becoming a lost art, especially around population centers.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 20, 2019 1:00:45 GMT
That's an interesting account dogflabber. You're right, doesn't appear to be sasquatch habitat from how you describe it. Seems to me the dogman events take place in more populated fringe areas as you mention. It's almost as if they need to be around humans or at least want to be so they can enjoy(thrive off of?) the terror they manifest in us. It's another case where the mystery won't ever be solved, I've had a couple of similar and they still haunt me for that reason. Respect is a good practice to follow while out in the wilds, it's becoming a lost art, especially around population centers. Yes Trolljegeren, I have also heard on Sas. Chronicles that researchers are starting to report that they are showing up close to communities , towns, cities, more and more and they are finding more signs of them next to communities than in the deep woods. They must have some kind of connection to us or they want to learn about us, but for what reason, I have a feeling its not for a good reason. Do you think my Parallel encounter was with a dogman? To be honest with you I do not know what it was, I can only think that it was a Paranormal type entity or creature, but really don't know. I also have to ask why, why me why try to scare me, I am not easily scared, not by ghost or anything, or at least at this time I did not think I was, but it did take me a long time to go back to where that tree was to check for the large broken branches and did not find any. I did not hang our in that section of the wood any more. When I was a kid I shot and killed thousands of birds for entertainment, at six years old with a BB gun, then a pellet gun at 9 years old. Mom said she would have to take the birds out of my pockets of my pants when she would wash my cloths. Maybe it was punishing me for committing these sins of senseless killing of these birds.
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Post by trolljegeren on Oct 21, 2019 18:37:10 GMT
Yes Trolljegeren, I have also heard on Sas. Chronicles that researchers are starting to report that they are showing up close to communities , towns, cities, more and more and they are finding more signs of them next to communities than in the deep woods. They must have some kind of connection to us or they want to learn about us, but for what reason, I have a feeling its not for a good reason. Do you think my Parallel encounter was with a dogman? To be honest with you I do not know what it was, I can only think that it was a Paranormal type entity or creature, but really don't know. I also have to ask why, why me why try to scare me, I am not easily scared, not by ghost or anything, or at least at this time I did not think I was, but it did take me a long time to go back to where that tree was to check for the large broken branches and did not find any. I did not hang our in that section of the wood any more. When I was a kid I shot and killed thousands of birds for entertainment, at six years old with a BB gun, then a pellet gun at 9 years old. Mom said she would have to take the birds out of my pockets of my pants when she would wash my cloths. Maybe it was punishing me for committing these sins of senseless killing of these birds. Hard to say what it was, but if the DM do exist, seems a likely candidate, as does a paranormal type phenomena. We'll never know...
I believe it was ISK8pdFrmaLab who mentioned the book Legends of the Fire Spirits (which I'm reading now, Thanks ISK8pdFrmaLab BTW!), Where one will find those in the Arabian world have a far better understanding?/relationship?/acceptance? of shared realities between humans and 'other' such as the Jinn, born of smokeless fire, not earth as humans are supposedly fashioned from. There does seem to be many similarities in behavior and manifestation with the dogman type creatures.
The mere fact that you feel you may have been served some retribution for senseless killing indicates remorse methinks. I'd assume any entity out for justice and knowing where to serve it would be aware of your sentiment, if it is indeed there, and perhaps not feel the need to carry out the task.
As a kid i spent an afternoon senselessly killing birds with a bb gun obtained against parental forbidding. My 'spree' was short lived, (at 13, I was older and wiser than your 6 or 9 year old self:)) by the seventh bird, a cardinal, put in the ground, i didn't feel good about myself. Enough of that.
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DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 21, 2019 20:00:48 GMT
I also read a book about Djinn and found it very interesting, because it seems to have the exact same characteristics of what people are reporting with BF, and DM they are also called the hidden ones. Another book I just read was by Scott Carpenter, The Nephilim Among Us. I think the Nephilim and Jinn could be the same or very close to it. Nephilim could be the Christian version of the Jinn. I probably need to read more about both.
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Post by balchr89 on Nov 19, 2019 4:10:27 GMT
Heck of an Encounter DogFlabber, You asked me to take a look at this encounter and give you my opinion. first i wanna say that encounters with BF & DM in urban areas are more common than one would think. I've observed adolescent BF damn near downtown Oxford MS, Lamar Park to be exact. My Ex wife claimed to have seen a "werewolf" out there at night. Me being me i went out to check it out and after a couple days of staking out pay dirt. At the time i was completely skeptical of DM, figured it was a BF. I've heard and read reports of them using waterways to access urban areas, any green zones (Afghan Theater Reference not Iraqi Theater Reference) are highways for them as well. So it's very believable and no one should or can discount it due to location.
That being said a lot of Native Lore encounters with BF are seen as warning to change behavior or mind set. This is more of the supernatural side that people tend to attach to them. IF that is the case the it got it's point across. lol
Given that you didn't get a solid look at the critter in question I'm gonna refer to it as "IT". If you were to bring this to me as a field researcher my first act would be to get satellite footage of the area, and look for possible avenues of approach. How did it get there and why was it there. Your encounter sounds a lot like a Rogue,or a family group migrating. passing through rogues can be very problematic, male BFs will put themselves between you and their family. Was there any on going activity? or just a one off occasion? I would imagine that the same would apply for Dogmen as well. Though I'll say straight up im brand new to the DM thing. So I can't really give an knowledgeable answer in that respect. Though it does somewhat match up with encounters i've heard and read. Though I still list them as unknowns unless something screams one or the other. Whatever IT was wasn't happy sharing space with you. but you know that. definitely a life changing experience. I'm glad you got something positive out of it.
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 19, 2019 16:26:17 GMT
Yes in a way it was a life changing experience, I did not realize it until you said something about it. I think it took me almost 6 months to go to check the tree for large limb breaks even though it was only 75 feet from my apartment door. I did stay out of those woods for a long time after that, and never went back in there at night like I used to. I could only see a shadow of a creature or spirit, because it was behind so much brush, but giving the height of it and the way it was going through that brush the way it was I just thought it had to be something paranormal.
Back then we did not believe in such things as bigfoot and surely not DM, if you brought up something like that to someone you would probably get laughed out of the room. I lived in those woods, shooting birds, my parents never told me I should not shoot them, my dad actually encouraged it.
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 19, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
That's an interesting account dogflabber. You're right, doesn't appear to be sasquatch habitat from how you describe it. Seems to me the dogman events take place in more populated fringe areas as you mention. It's almost as if they need to be around humans or at least want to be so they can enjoy(thrive off of?) the terror they manifest in us. It's another case where the mystery won't ever be solved, I've had a couple of similar and they still haunt me for that reason. Respect is a good practice to follow while out in the wilds, it's becoming a lost art, especially around population centers. Geren , I would like for you to tell me of your parallel encounter , unless it was the one where you had something thrown at you, I would love to here it. I find this type of encounter to be fascinating, even though they usually do not include an actual sighting, I do believe they frequently happen to many people.
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Post by balchr89 on Nov 20, 2019 0:15:23 GMT
I think you’re correct. These types of encounters are more common than your class A sightings. I believe from what I’ve seen that it’s extremely common behavior for BF, in the known natural world it is as well. DM probably follows the same pattern. Predators don’t wantonly kill and there’s always a reason for kills that seem pointless. Direct combat is a risky proposition even for something 7-10 feet tall and several hundred pounds. Especially if it’s a human that’s the opponent. Humans despite our diminutive stature compared to BF and DM are more dangerous to them than we give ourselves credit for. They know this and behave accordingly.
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 20, 2019 18:27:35 GMT
I know I hear many reports where the witness claims that if he had not started running when he did, he would have been killed by the creature, but I wonder if that is only a scare tactic of these guys, and what would happen if you were just to walk out of the woods calmly instead of running for your life, like a scared rabbit, what would really happen?
Like even with my parallel encounter which really was not that scary compared to others I have heard, but my first impression was I thought it was a person coming directly towards me in the woods and I almost ran, jumped the fence and ran up on it to see who it was, I wonder what would have happened if I would have done that, would it have bolted and maintained hidden from me, or growled or attacked me, who knows, maybe it would have been the one running away instead of me.
I would like to put this theory to test, the next time it happens, or at least that is what I say now, im a lot braver on the computer than in the woods.
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Post by balchr89 on Nov 21, 2019 3:00:29 GMT
probably couldve ended up badly for the both of you. would be an interesting experiment. i suggest bringing a friend
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 21, 2019 6:02:17 GMT
Yes I would not behave that way unless I had someone with me.
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Post by trolljegeren on Nov 24, 2019 20:43:26 GMT
Geren , I would like for you to tell me of your parallel encounter , unless it was the one where you had something thrown at you, I would love to here it. I find this type of encounter to be fascinating, even though they usually do not include an actual sighting, I do believe they frequently happen to many people. I didn't mean I had a parallel encounter, just unsolved events where I'll never know. One in particular was before I had bigfoot or dogman on the brain to the degree I have now. I was camping up in the N Maine woods, solo and bushwhacking out to a fissure cave in light rain, 3 miles through hellathicket and bog then trying to find a small hole in the ground. I had stopped to shed a layer, took off my pack and swung R to set it on a log. As I was stuffing my fleece into it and facing about 110-120 degrees away from my initial direction of travel, peripherally, I see a large dark figure bolt perpendicularly across my route, up over an rise that was about 3-4' high and off into the brush, then silence nearly instantly. I saw no detail but large and dark. I only had a short, heavy blade machete on me at the time but went in after it, cautiously, to see what it was. I couldn't hear any movement and slowly followed for maybe 50' where I thought it would have gone, still not seeing a thing. I then stooped down to look under the branches of balsam and spruce and saw brown fur/hair about 8' in. That spooked me good. It was hiding, not running. I've come across moose, bear and deer frequently, they have ALWAYS run at my approach (with the exception of a bull moose on Katahdin who obviously was used to seeing hairless bi-peds, he sent me up a tree). I didn't think much about what I was seeing, it just didn't seem right, I hauled out of there backwards and continued on to my attempted destination, which BTW took me 2 more trips to finally find. I'll never know what it was and it haunts me a bit.
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 25, 2019 0:32:34 GMT
Sure sounds like you were looking at part of a BF to me, that is very long hair, no animal I know would look similar. Sounds like you are quite the outdoors man I admire you for that. I hope to start getting out in the woods a little more frequently, and might have found someone to go with me.
A lot of times we see stuff like that and just chalk it off, and forget about it, but it is real. I know that rabbits will hide like that. It is something that you thought to look under the brush to get a look if you could see something hiding there, can you imagine what would have happened if you would have walked right up on it?
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Post by trolljegeren on Nov 25, 2019 23:39:57 GMT
Sure sounds like you were looking at part of a BF to me, that is very long hair, no animal I know would look similar. Sounds like you are quite the outdoors man I admire you for that. I hope to start getting out in the woods a little more frequently, and might have found someone to go with me. A lot of times we see stuff like that and just chalk it off, and forget about it, but it is real. I know that rabbits will hide like that. It is something that you thought to look under the brush to get a look if you could see something hiding there, can you imagine what would have happened if you would have walked right up on it? I didn't word that very well. I couldn't tell how long the hair/fur was, I didn't even think about it at the time but what i was trying to relay was that the critter, whatever it was, was about 8 feet into the brush. Well, I'm no Ray Mears or anything but I get on ok out there:) Hope you're able to get out more and enjoy. I never consider time in the wilds wasted.
And yes, I've seen rabbits and smaller critters use the freeze tactic, it's smart. no move, no see.
Any option of potential critters would have been an interesting moment had i walked up on it for sure!
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