DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Dec 10, 2019 19:24:03 GMT
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Eoin
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Post by Eoin on Dec 11, 2019 1:56:25 GMT
I find this report suspect. Per the norm for these reports the person provides details that only the missing would know, an impossibility, no specific location provided, no specific law enforcement agency named, the trail/road goes from gravel and with soft earth to mud for paw tracks. The conclusion it was a DM attack is a reach at best and given the discrepancies in the narrative my own belief is that it is a work of fiction. As researchers and investigators we need full names, times and dates, specific GPS coordinates, responded statements and police reports. I’ve done a search in the TN database and there is a Matt and Nicole, but Matt murdered Nicole and committed suicide when found by police. There was one other, but it, as the first was near Nashville.
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 11, 2019 3:07:10 GMT
I'll give it a listen later on but Dixie Cryptid is pretty up front about most if not all of his material being fiction thats loosely based on stories he's heard or been told. Darkwaters is a very similar type of youtuber. its more entertainment than it is real information. i caught on to this around a year ago when he relayed a story i heard at deer camp growing up. He must've reminded someone else of it because a week later he released a rant talking about the stories just being that stories. He gives the ones relayed to him an extreme amount of juicing up as well. that being said he's a good and honest dude and a very solid storyteller.
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 11, 2019 3:46:14 GMT
Now this will tickle your fancy.
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DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Dec 11, 2019 6:34:49 GMT
I find this report suspect. Per the norm for these reports the person provides details that only the missing would know, an impossibility, no specific location provided, no specific law enforcement agency named, the trail/road goes from gravel and with soft earth to mud for paw tracks. The conclusion it was a DM attack is a reach at best and given the discrepancies in the narrative my own belief is that it is a work of fiction. As researchers and investigators we need full names, times and dates, specific GPS coordinates, responded statements and police reports. I’ve done a search in the TN database and there is a Matt and Nicole, but Matt murdered Nicole and committed suicide when found by police. There was one other, but it, as the first was near Nashville. Eoin, thank you for your input on this, I know this is your expertise to spot the fakes and we definitely do not want to be mislead by YouTube junk. I am sure you guys already have a list of tubers that you will not listen to because you already know them as fake bottom feeders.
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Eoin
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Post by Eoin on Dec 11, 2019 12:04:20 GMT
I find this report suspect. Per the norm for these reports the person provides details that only the missing would know, an impossibility, no specific location provided, no specific law enforcement agency named, the trail/road goes from gravel and with soft earth to mud for paw tracks. The conclusion it was a DM attack is a reach at best and given the discrepancies in the narrative my own belief is that it is a work of fiction. As researchers and investigators we need full names, times and dates, specific GPS coordinates, responded statements and police reports. I’ve done a search in the TN database and there is a Matt and Nicole, but Matt murdered Nicole and committed suicide when found by police. There was one other, but it, as the first was near Nashville. Eoin, thank you for your input on this, I know this is your expertise to spot the fakes and we definitely do not want to be mislead by YouTube junk. I am sure you guys already have a list of tubers that you will not listen to because you already know them as fake bottom feeders. My feeling has been that just like those "inguesstivating" the paranormal, people are anxious for virtually anything regarding DM encounters and many Podcasts are not investigative in nature. They're entertainment. The trick is to separate fact from fiction, truth from lie, and reality from myth. There are always going to be subtle indicators that an encounter is fabricated. My own "Spidey Senses" start to quiver when an encounter injects information that is either impossible to know (Bill looked up only to see a bird, and realizing he was by himself wondered what caused it to take flight), or it comes across as literature and not investigative data (the "Bill" statement again).
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Eoin
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Post by Eoin on Dec 11, 2019 12:12:28 GMT
Now this will tickle your fancy. What are we looking at?
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Eoin
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Post by Eoin on Dec 11, 2019 12:17:25 GMT
I'll give it a listen later on but Dixie Cryptid is pretty up front about most if not all of his material being fiction thats loosely based on stories he's heard or been told. Darkwaters is a very similar type of youtuber. its more entertainment than it is real information. i caught on to this around a year ago when he relayed a story i heard at deer camp growing up. He must've reminded someone else of it because a week later he released a rant talking about the stories just being that stories. He gives the ones relayed to him an extreme amount of juicing up as well. that being said he's a good and honest dude and a very solid storyteller. "Storytelling" does a GREAT disservice to not only the DM field, but Cryptozoology in general. Tales around the campfire are not simply a waste of time, they get in the way, as they proliferate disinformation which discredits true research and field investigation.
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 12, 2019 2:37:32 GMT
Now this will tickle your fancy. What are we looking at? It's a map of the general area that the story takes place. It's not too entirely far from the LBL. It's interconnected to the same wildlife refuges that extend down past Taylor Mississippi. The region is pretty well known for Dogman activity. probably why the story teller picked it, and hes from that general region (accent and rhythm of his speech match)as well. In regards to your other statement. i agree completely Cryptotianment ( I'm gonna coin that if it aint already) is highly damaging to legitimate Researchers and Investigators. I understand the need to entertain or rather the want to, but this sort of thing gets a lot of innocent BFs and DMs shot for no good reason. Education and Information are keys to preserving both species, making them the baddies in a tall tale is counter productive.
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DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Dec 13, 2019 8:24:48 GMT
Now this will tickle your fancy. Yes, the story telling dialect always makes me think a story is fake right away, because that is not the way someone who has had an encounter is going to describe their encounter. You have to admit Eoin there are not too many people like you in this field that can determine if something is true or not, and I do think you are a great asset here, because we are serious about this subject. Also I know the last thing one of these researchers here wants to do is waste their time following up a fake lead. What are we looking at?
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 13, 2019 23:34:13 GMT
Did the photo not post?
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DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Dec 14, 2019 6:30:12 GMT
are you talking about the map?
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 15, 2019 4:09:28 GMT
yip
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jan 6, 2020 15:03:23 GMT
I researched the missing couple quite a bit about 2 days worth of searching after I heard this story a year or so ago and found little if anything, although I figured that the names would have been changed so of course compensated for that I searched around for surrounding areas like Union City and even car just being found abandoned. Only thing was a Nissan Sentra, the story talks about a "small car", figured Sentra is about right, but this couple who their car was found were indeed still missing but this was in 2018. It sounded like the couple would at least be in their 40's more like 50 to 60 age wise the only other couple I found were 19 years old or so in 2007, so I skipped the younger couples who were missing. Now we certainly can have a coverup yet a large search and one year before actually finding evidence that it could have been dogman, something would have come out in the news. At the very least we'd hear of the car being found in the news, but nothing.
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DogFlabber
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 6, 2020 21:46:08 GMT
I admire your determination to find an answer to this.
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