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Post by rstevens on Jan 11, 2020 6:04:34 GMT
Ive been researching Dogmen quite a bit lately, I listened to countless encounters, and there are a handful I find very interesting and I think they support my theory, I cannot believe Im actually saying this, because it sounds totally off the wall and impossible...but I have an eerie feeling these are human beings (in another form)..YES, real werewolves, just like the movies depict them, (people that change form), However I do not think the moon has anything to do with it.
Here are some of the reasons why I think this may be the case...For starters, in quite a few Dogman sightings Ive listened to or read, the witness claims to see the genitals, and at least with the males, its very obvious they are 'male' (human male genitals), NOT canine genitals. I will say though, Ive never heard anyone ever mention seeing a female. Another aspect Ive noticed in some encounters, the witness sees the dogman wearing clothing, its usually torn up and dirty, but clothing nonetheless (I think this is a big red flag that its a human being), There was a single sighting in my city about 15 yrs ago outside a bowling alley, in the parking lot, 4 people saw this dogman leaning up against the side of the building, it was standing right beside one of the buildings exterior lights, its head was close to the light (putting it around 8ft tall btw), 2 of them claimed to get a very good look at its face, and they said it looked like a human face, only with a long snout and big teeth and they said the nose was canine but much larger than it should be (out of proportion), they said it had a large 'mane' lots of hair around the head and neck area...the really odd part about this one, all of them reported that it was wearing mens clothing, it even had a jacket on, (they did not report the clothing being torn up or dirty though).(there is another strange aspect to this particular case, and its on a personal level, lets just say I recognized the description of the jacket), Im not going to say anything more about that yet though, until I nail down some more facts, I do not want to be jumping to wild conclusions.
Another aspect, many witnesses that have been in vehicles when they see these things, some of them claimed the dogman attempted to open the door, (it knew how to grasp a car door handle...that is human type intelligence).
Finally, in majority of the sightings Ive read about, they happen either fairly close to heavily populated areas or on the outskirts of town, It seems to me, in general, dogman sightings are fairly rare...I think that may be because they are not always in this form, and when they are, they go to an area that is close by that is densely wooded, that will give them some secrecy.
I will mention this last encounter that I read about a few weeks ago as the closer, this guy was hiking by himself and he had stopped for the day and was setting up his tent, getting a fire going, and was planning to camp there overnight, he said there was another group of people in the distance with a fire going, they were close enough that he could hear them yelling and screaming, laughing, etc, he just assumed it was kids, out partying or drinking, and just having a good time, he never approached them and he didnt think they knew he was camping nearby, as the night goes on, he says the yelling and screaming got louder and weirder, sounded less and less human, eventually he was starting to get scared, because he was not hearing human vocalizations anymore, it was howling, grunting and barking noises. He packed up and hiked out of there, but he did mention, towards the end, he never heard a single human word spoken by any of these people, it was ALL grunting barking and howling.
Who knows...maybe the movies have been right all along? (however crazy that sounds!) Im not even going to speculate about the 'mechanics' of how this would work though, whether its a curse or affliction of some kind, that has been passed around between very few people, or how their body physically can morph into something else...I dont know, I have no clue.
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Post by ag47 on Jan 11, 2020 22:06:02 GMT
I have a much more open mind on this stuff than I used to.
I think the whole cryptid thing, bigfoot, dogman, etc., is something that is far more than just undiscovered flesh & blood species. There would be bodies and other physical evidence, with all the active searching for them. And there just isn't.
The reports from Skinwalker Ranch, if any are to be believed, highlight something that can manifest physically, but isn't regular living tissue (the big wolf they shot to pieces and it just acted like a fly got on it, and the "flesh" they found smelled like it had been rotting for a long time. Then it just disappeared - tracks just stopped. Look at who was involved in that investigation. Alexander, Bigelow, etc., What is their (and gov't.) interest in it?
There is a lot of telepathy reported in contacts of all kinds, bigfoot, dogman, aliens, etc..
At this point I think if people limit their expectations to fall inside the box of limitations physical flesh and blood they will never find "it." Many of those who have come face to face with it know instinctively it's something more and something that doesn't fit inside that box. Even though it can manifest itself like that, being solid, breathing, eating, physically interacting with matter.
That's the way it looks to me, and I am not an experiencer. I would like to see it (from a safe distance, LOL). I don't think it's here to be the welcome wagon.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jan 11, 2020 23:48:49 GMT
While I obviously can't rule anything out, the transformation from human is a difficult camp for me to reside in. I'm more comfortable with the plausibility of some sort of paranormal existence a la ag47's Skinwalker Ranch mention. I have also come across a couple of cases regarding clothing, and cigarettes in one instance. Rstevens, do have a link to the camping incident report? I haven't seen that one. I'm not saying it's the case but it is surprising how what is known human language heard from distance can sound unintelligible, even in cadence. But howling,grunting and barking seems outside the range indeed--interesting.
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Post by Brandon on Jan 12, 2020 4:04:37 GMT
real werewolves
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My thoughts! I've been screaming this for years an no one listens.
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Post by balchr89 on Jan 12, 2020 5:28:45 GMT
real werewolves
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My thoughts! I've been screaming this for years an no one listens. I actually really want to see your theory laid out. I dont think I've seen it.
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Post by rstevens on Jan 12, 2020 6:30:58 GMT
My thoughts! I've been screaming this for years an no one listens. I actually really want to see your theory laid out. I dont think I've seen it. Yes, Id like to hear it too.
One thing I forgot to add, that points away from this theory, this whole Dogman/werewolf encounters thing really exploded just fairly recently...where were all these things in the early to mid 2000s or other time periods...Beast of Bray Rd, and maybe a handful of similar sightings in WI and MI from back then, but that was it! I find it hard to hard to believe if it was a curse or affliction, it spread as rapidly as it did and totally under the radar.
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Post by rstevens on Jan 12, 2020 6:57:57 GMT
I have a much more open mind on this stuff than I used to. I think the whole cryptid thing, bigfoot, dogman, etc., is something that is far more than just undiscovered flesh & blood species. There would be bodies and other physical evidence, with all the active searching for them. And there just isn't. The reports from Skinwalker Ranch, if any are to be believed, highlight something that can manifest physically, but isn't regular living tissue (the big wolf they shot to pieces and it just acted like a fly got on it, and the "flesh" they found smelled like it had been rotting for a long time. Then it just disappeared - tracks just stopped. Look at who was involved in that investigation. Alexander, Bigelow, etc., What is their (and gov't.) interest in it? There is a lot of telepathy reported in contacts of all kinds, bigfoot, dogman, aliens, etc.. At this point I think if people limit their expectations to fall inside the box of limitations physical flesh and blood they will never find "it." Many of those who have come face to face with it know instinctively it's something more and something that doesn't fit inside that box. Even though it can manifest itself like that, being solid, breathing, eating, physically interacting with matter. That's the way it looks to me, and I am not an experiencer. I would like to see it (from a safe distance, LOL). I don't think it's here to be the welcome wagon. Im not saying they are all one thing or another though, the Skinwalker ranch did have some Dogmen, but from what Ive read, they were much different than what people were seeing out in the woods...One of the Skinwalker ranch incidents I read, from their main website, one of the investigators saw a bipedal wolf, and it morphed into a native american wearing a wolf skin and a wolfs head on top of his head, however this dogman was not super muscular or 10ft tall.
I do agree about there being MUCH MUCH more to this than we believe, who knows, maybe the truth, is actually stranger than humans morphing into werewolves?!!
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Post by ag47 on Jan 12, 2020 7:08:48 GMT
rstevens, good point and one with which I am in accord at this point: they might not all be the same thing, but several different things. In a video centering on mothman, this guy expresses an idea here that I think is intriguing: youtu.be/6AQzqnulyKw?t=547 (if the link doesn't take you to that point- just move the slider to 9:07) The video is about mothman, but his view of that subject goes beyond that. It sure could apply to bigfoot, dogman, etc.. Beginning of video: youtu.be/6AQzqnulyKw?t=551I like Woodward's presentations. He researches his subjects and gives a coverage of what they are about, and his opinions which are intelligent. Not a scientific channel though.
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Post by Con on Jan 14, 2020 23:36:25 GMT
I love these topics, it's always cool to talk about what we think's going on.
When I first found Vics channel a couple years ago, I was sceptical but intrigued. At first I thought that they were some kind of creature, then maybe some kind of intelligent creature, over time the concept opened up to include other weird stuff like the whole portals to other worlds idea. But now, honestly, the whole werewolf aspect at least in regards to some cases I've heard of and their supposed intelligence, it starts to make sense. They do weird things, like spook people, mock charge and do all this other stuff but never actually kill anyone. They chase people away for sure, right on their heels, but wouldn't you do that if some dude was trespassing? Killing seems to be the last resort.
I'm not saying they haven't killed anyone though. There might not be any concrete cases but if these things exist, then I'm 100% sure us and them have had many altercations over the millennia.
But yeah, the werewolf aspect is starting to make more sense to me. I'm still more on the side of them being intelligent wolf-people type things, but I don't discount any possibilities unless I actually manage to interview one lol! I've had a few brushes with the paranormal, clear as day type stuff too, so I know for sure ghosts are real. Makes sense that other stuff might be, too.
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Post by rf3811 on Jan 15, 2020 21:38:00 GMT
I believe there is a whole bunch of things going on regarding DM. One thing that I must say is we always think we are the smartest [humans] and don't consider that there may be another living being with a very high intelligence beyond our expectations. Regarding Vic, I like the show a lot but do have an issue with his fixed opinion on the matter. He won't speculate and is stuck to flesh and blood animal. He is the person that is constantly referred to as an expert per se' yet his mind is closed. don't get me wrong, I like the show, but do not think he is the end all be all as people always refer to him and like 2 other people or shows. We have to be honest and know that nobody knows exactly what these beings are unless there are secret groups that do not publish or share the facts regarding the subject. I agree with all theories might be possible until we have actual facts, and even then media lies is a real issue, TV is straight propaganda! I think Skinwalkers are 100% real and I also think there might be werewolves and DM. There could even be something inter dimensional going on that we are completely blind to. There are unlimited possibilities. In my opinion we need not look at science and how they research, they have been misleading us forever in order to maintain control as knowledge is power. [most scientist aren't even aware they are doing this as they are inside the system and follow its perimeters.] If a scientist wakes up to what is going on they either kill him/her or do whatever they can to discredit their reputation. I also want to suggest the reason why it seems there has been an uptick in sightings and encounters is due to the internet age. We figured out how to communicate to someone across the world also remain anonymous. I think the sightings have been going on since the beginning of time as the old texts suggest, but we are now again communicating in a faster way and still maintaining autonomy. We are constantly hearing stories form "years ago" like on this very page above. Besides the fact there are more people in the world, there are more people willing to discuss their experiences as it is a different world we live in and people are not as controlled by religion and fear of ridicule or being cast out of their society. Anyway, that is my 2 cents, I really appreciate everyone's theories above and I am glad I could post my ideas... I am obsessed with the subject.
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Post by rf3811 on Jan 16, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
I have a much more open mind on this stuff than I used to. I think the whole cryptid thing, bigfoot, dogman, etc., is something that is far more than just undiscovered flesh & blood species. There would be bodies and other physical evidence, with all the active searching for them. And there just isn't. The reports from Skinwalker Ranch, if any are to be believed, highlight something that can manifest physically, but isn't regular living tissue (the big wolf they shot to pieces and it just acted like a fly got on it, and the "flesh" they found smelled like it had been rotting for a long time. Then it just disappeared - tracks just stopped. Look at who was involved in that investigation. Alexander, Bigelow, etc., What is their (and gov't.) interest in it? There is a lot of telepathy reported in contacts of all kinds, bigfoot, dogman, aliens, etc.. At this point I think if people limit their expectations to fall inside the box of limitations physical flesh and blood they will never find "it." Many of those who have come face to face with it know instinctively it's something more and something that doesn't fit inside that box. Even though it can manifest itself like that, being solid, breathing, eating, physically interacting with matter. That's the way it looks to me, and I am not an experiencer. I would like to see it (from a safe distance, LOL). I don't think it's here to be the welcome wagon. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I listen to "Dogman Encounters", some other shows as well and have read countless experiences and tend to agree that there is much more going on. I listened to an interview where Vic was a guest on another show and the guy was asking him questions along the lines of "outside the box thinking" and Vic wouldn't speculate and was stuck to his point that DM can only be an animal. I didn't like that because this imo is the issue with our society and specifically this subject, where people are putting DM inside a box when of course nobody knows for sure. I stated in another post that those that actually know the truth will never tell us. Even when you hear Native American's if they are talking about Skinwalkers, BF, DM, and etc., they ALWAYS say the elders do not discuss these subjects because it draws them to you. [This tells me they know something about this and have been taught to keep it quiet and probably to them it is for good reason not just silly superstition!] If you think about it, people have been talking about Werewolves and bipedal dog headed men since the beginning of time and Hairy bipedal giants... As well as shapeshifters. This phenomenon is not new, how we communicate through the advancement of technology is new and has created the feeling that this creature just popped up out of nowhere. I also have not yet had an encounter and would love to see some footage or pics that are clear. The other night I went outside was thinking about DM and out of nowhere there was a cat that I didn't know was there and it startled me... My whole body shook a little. I can only imagine coming face to face with a 7 foot tall upright walking dog with those teeth etc. I can only believe how difficult it would be to remain calm and record video, omg! I have heard Vic and a few others discuss that they have seen excellent clear footage and images on trail cameras. But for whatever reason they aren't able to release the footage. [That irks the $hi+ outta me.] I think if it was released it would be scrubbed by TPTB anyway.
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 17, 2020 7:53:43 GMT
I have a much more open mind on this stuff than I used to. I think the whole cryptid thing, bigfoot, dogman, etc., is something that is far more than just undiscovered flesh & blood species. There would be bodies and other physical evidence, with all the active searching for them. And there just isn't. The reports from Skinwalker Ranch, if any are to be believed, highlight something that can manifest physically, but isn't regular living tissue (the big wolf they shot to pieces and it just acted like a fly got on it, and the "flesh" they found smelled like it had been rotting for a long time. Then it just disappeared - tracks just stopped. Look at who was involved in that investigation. Alexander, Bigelow, etc., What is their (and gov't.) interest in it? There is a lot of telepathy reported in contacts of all kinds, bigfoot, dogman, aliens, etc.. At this point I think if people limit their expectations to fall inside the box of limitations physical flesh and blood they will never find "it." Many of those who have come face to face with it know instinctively it's something more and something that doesn't fit inside that box. Even though it can manifest itself like that, being solid, breathing, eating, physically interacting with matter. That's the way it looks to me, and I am not an experiencer. I would like to see it (from a safe distance, LOL). I don't think it's here to be the welcome wagon. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I listen to "Dogman Encounters", some other shows as well and have read countless experiences and tend to agree that there is much more going on. I listened to an interview where Vic was a guest on another show and the guy was asking him questions along the lines of "outside the box thinking" and Vic wouldn't speculate and was stuck to his point that DM can only be an animal. I didn't like that because this imo is the issue with our society and specifically this subject, where people are putting DM inside a box when of course nobody knows for sure. I stated in another post that those that actually know the truth will never tell us. Even when you hear Native American's if they are talking about Skinwalkers, BF, DM, and etc., they ALWAYS say the elders do not discuss these subjects because it draws them to you. [This tells me they know something about this and have been taught to keep it quiet and probably to them it is for good reason not just silly superstition!] If you think about it, people have been talking about Werewolves and bipedal dog headed men since the beginning of time and Hairy bipedal giants... As well as shapeshifters. This phenomenon is not new, how we communicate through the advancement of technology is new and has created the feeling that this creature just popped up out of nowhere. I also have not yet had an encounter and would love to see some footage or pics that are clear. The other night I went outside was thinking about DM and out of nowhere there was a cat that I didn't know was there and it startled me... My whole body shook a little. I can only imagine coming face to face with a 7 foot tall upright walking dog with those teeth etc. I can only believe how difficult it would be to remain calm and record video, omg! I have heard Vic and a few others discuss that they have seen excellent clear footage and images on trail cameras. But for whatever reason they aren't able to release the footage. [That irks the $hi+ outta me.] I think if it was released it would be scrubbed by TPTB anyway.
You make some excellent points there, I just do not think that any scientist will ever lead us to any discovery in this field, and the main reason for that is, I think this is a demonic thing and a scientist will never admit that such a thing like God or demons exist.
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 17, 2020 8:08:36 GMT
Ive been researching Dogmen quite a bit lately, I listened to countless encounters, and there are a handful I find very interesting and I think they support my theory, I cannot believe Im actually saying this, because it sounds totally off the wall and impossible...but I have an eerie feeling these are human beings (in another form)..YES, real werewolves, just like the movies depict them, (people that change form), However I do not think the moon has anything to do with it.
Here are some of the reasons why I think this may be the case...For starters, in quite a few Dogman sightings Ive listened to or read, the witness claims to see the genitals, and at least with the males, its very obvious they are 'male' (human male genitals), NOT canine genitals. I will say though, Ive never heard anyone ever mention seeing a female. Another aspect Ive noticed in some encounters, the witness sees the dogman wearing clothing, its usually torn up and dirty, but clothing nonetheless (I think this is a big red flag that its a human being), There was a single sighting in my city about 15 yrs ago outside a bowling alley, in the parking lot, 4 people saw this dogman leaning up against the side of the building, it was standing right beside one of the buildings exterior lights, its head was close to the light (putting it around 8ft tall btw), 2 of them claimed to get a very good look at its face, and they said it looked like a human face, only with a long snout and big teeth and they said the nose was canine but much larger than it should be (out of proportion), they said it had a large 'mane' lots of hair around the head and neck area...the really odd part about this one, all of them reported that it was wearing mens clothing, it even had a jacket on, (they did not report the clothing being torn up or dirty though).(there is another strange aspect to this particular case, and its on a personal level, lets just say I recognized the description of the jacket), Im not going to say anything more about that yet though, until I nail down some more facts, I do not want to be jumping to wild conclusions.
Another aspect, many witnesses that have been in vehicles when they see these things, some of them claimed the dogman attempted to open the door, (it knew how to grasp a car door handle...that is human type intelligence).
Finally, in majority of the sightings Ive read about, they happen either fairly close to heavily populated areas or on the outskirts of town, It seems to me, in general, dogman sightings are fairly rare...I think that may be because they are not always in this form, and when they are, they go to an area that is close by that is densely wooded, that will give them some secrecy.
I will mention this last encounter that I read about a few weeks ago as the closer, this guy was hiking by himself and he had stopped for the day and was setting up his tent, getting a fire going, and was planning to camp there overnight, he said there was another group of people in the distance with a fire going, they were close enough that he could hear them yelling and screaming, laughing, etc, he just assumed it was kids, out partying or drinking, and just having a good time, he never approached them and he didnt think they knew he was camping nearby, as the night goes on, he says the yelling and screaming got louder and weirder, sounded less and less human, eventually he was starting to get scared, because he was not hearing human vocalizations anymore, it was howling, grunting and barking noises. He packed up and hiked out of there, but he did mention, towards the end, he never heard a single human word spoken by any of these people, it was ALL grunting barking and howling.
Who knows...maybe the movies have been right all along? (however crazy that sounds!) Im not even going to speculate about the 'mechanics' of how this would work though, whether its a curse or affliction of some kind, that has been passed around between very few people, or how their body physically can morph into something else...I dont know, I have no clue.
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Wow very nice investigation there, I like the way you are thinking. Have you read the post I made here about the Nagual? It tells the story about my mother inlaw telling about the dogmen that controlled the town she lived in. I also recommend listening to Dogman Encounters episode 53 with Abe Sias. He told me tonight he has had four encounters with them but he likes to talk if you want to talk to him let me know I can put you in touch with him. There are a lot more details to his encounters than what he talks about in the eps. 53 ,not just that but some of the other stuff he has seen. I was listening to something on TV a few years ago about skin walkers and they said that in order for you to join the cult of Indians that train you to become a skinwalker, you have to kill two of your closest relatives, like your mother and brother etc, to get accepted, because you have to give your soul to the devil and this is where this power they are getting comes from.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jan 17, 2020 20:25:44 GMT
Wow very nice investigation there, I like the way you are thinking. Have you read the post I made here about the Nagual? It tells the story about my mother inlaw telling about the dogmen that controlled the town she lived in. I also recommend listening to Dogman Encounters episode 53 with Abe Sias. He told me tonight he has had four encounters with them but he likes to talk if you want to talk to him let me know I can put you in touch with him. There are a lot more details to his encounters than what he talks about in the eps. 53 ,not just that but some of the other stuff he has seen. I was listening to something on TV a few years ago about skin walkers and they said that in order for you to join the cult of Indians that train you to become a skinwalker, you have to kill two of your closest relatives, like your mother and brother etc, to get accepted, because you have to give your soul to the devil and this is where this power they are getting comes from. I had read your Nagual story a while back and had been meaning to comment about how similar your mother-in-law's experience is to many of the stories in the book Witchcraft in the Southwest: Spanish and Indian Supernaturalism on the Rio Grande by Marc Simmons. It's mostly anecdotal accounts but historically interesting. Clyde Kluckhohn's Navaho Witchcraft is much more a piece of boots on the ground, anthropological, investigative writing. Both give a good foundation to understanding some of the dark practices happening in that dry corner of the world. It's reading accounts in these books and hearing of events such as your cousins encounter that gives some credence to the "transformation from human" theory that I have a hard time digesting the physiological requirements of...I mean HOW???
I was wondering about your comment regarding the skinwalkers giving of souls to a/the devil. I gather that carrying out the supposed murder of a loved one (or two) blackens one's soul to a non-redemptive degree. I cannot imagine the possibility of coming back from that and managing to pull off a quiet, wholesome domestic life. That solidly sets one's course on a "dark" widdershins path methinks. What I wonder is if the skinwalker-to-be is ritually giving up his soul to a/the devil, as I don't believe they see it that way. I'm not sure on that, but it does seem more of a Christian concept.
I listened to DE 53, interesting no doubt, 6 of them and he walks between them!! The only other incident where I've heard of that many DM happened about 2 hours from my place in ME, a farmhouse along the Madawaska bog. There was a Paranormal witness episode on it called Wolf Pack. It's also written up in one of Linda Godfrey's books. I've scouted the property and surrounding area a couple of times, crossing the frozen marsh, finding plenty of large coyote tracks but no oddities. I believe the Martins are still in the area, I've been meaning to talk with them for quite a while just to hear the story first hand. Their story here: www.syfy.com/paranormalwitness/episodes/season/3/episode/9/the-wolf-packAnd the marsh behind their place, from my visit, definitely a good location for a pack of DM. The clearing across the marsh behind the thin tree line is the location of the incident:
Far side of the bog, fresh coyote tracks, I spooked them out from the woods as I went in.
Nice coyote tracks:
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 18, 2020 0:28:43 GMT
I think it would be good to investigate the Indian beliefs of Skinwalkers, a lot could be learned from it, I have not had a chance to do that. Eoin would be a good person to talk to about it, he actually goes out an interviews Native Americans about their skinwalker beliefs. Abe says these dogmen he encounters are demonic entities, that mask them selves as DM. Abe also on occasion will bring people out to go encounter them, but it is very dangerous,and I do not recommend it, like he said in eps. 53 the two girls fell down because they had their energy sucked out of them, what he did not say is this was caused from a demonic presence. I also believe that this is how they kill you, I don't know if they eat you.
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