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Post by peterandthewolf on Feb 21, 2020 6:04:32 GMT
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Post by ag47 on Feb 21, 2020 6:58:29 GMT
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 21, 2020 19:18:45 GMT
I guess the DM is a possibility but taking a satellite drive through the neighborhood (which BTW, look to be classic DM habitat), one finds an impoverished rural setting where I'd not be surprised to find to find some dog fighting activity and thus some aggressive canines in the area even though the organized scene is more of an urban crime. Stereotypical profiling? Yes I know, but we have to consider the possibilities.
This is again, one of those cases where IDK if it's bad reporting or just a policy out of respect for the family to minimize information. Who found him? Sounds heard? Drag marks or did he climb up on his own? Any oddities seen or heard lately? Know of any vicious local dogs? We'll probably never know. Wish I was in the area, if anyone is, be careful- the sign posted at the bottom of the victim's littered driveway reads: Trespassers will be shot, survivors shot again. 37.346739, -83.059245 RIP Corey.
Related perhaps?: Kentucky Ranked Worst State For Animal Protection Laws It's also the only state that prohibits vets from reporting signs of abuse/fighting
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 23, 2020 15:06:03 GMT
Per the norm, not much other info outside of an interview with a neighbor:
"That area is mountainous and, according to residents, surrounded by strip mines."
"Shane Everage has lived in a house on the road for more than 30 years. In that time, he said sometimes his family would notice some of their chickens go missing, but never more than a few.
“I mean we’ve heard of coyotes being around, wild hogs and etcetera but nothing like this,” said Everage.
Everage said he’s shocked to think there may be an animal roaming near his home that could attack someone.
“As far as being scared, we’ve lived here all our lives,” said Everage. “I think it makes you look over your shoulder a little bit more like, ‘Is there something here that has went ballistic?’”
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Post by peterandthewolf on Feb 24, 2020 5:23:20 GMT
13 year old boy killed is the topic of the latest vic cundiff dogman encounters youtu.be/gygBo0xsc6UWow |
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Post by wildcats1 on Feb 25, 2020 21:36:54 GMT
Hey all. I'm new to the boards (and to dogmen) but I made this account specifically to reply to this post because I live near the area where this happened and I stumbled across the NADP site while looking for more information on what happened to this boy. I didn't know him or his family but this has absolutely haunted me since I saw it on the news. I unfortunately don't have any information on dogman sightings or experiences here, but I wanted to give some insight into the area and give my own opinions.
I've lived in southeastern Kentucky my whole life and I've seen a lot of wild animals in my own front yard, including bears, deer, and foxes. There's definitely a lot of wildlife in this area but I don't personally know anyone who's been attacked by a wild animal. I also know a lot of people who hunt (deer, squirrel, and turkeys) and spend a lot of time in the hills, and no one I know has had an encounter with an aggressive canine in the wild.
Lately, I've noticed my neighbor's dogs barking and howling all night long, to the point where last night I became concerned for the safety of the horses my neighbor owns, as the barking was aggressive enough to make me think the dogs had actually seen something nearby. Many of my neighbors have dogs they keep outside and it was pretty much all of them barking very aggressively. Now this could have very well been something like a bear that had them barking, but with the death of this boy and the animal that killed him still not named, it's got me pretty spooked. I definitely don't feel safe going out at night, even if the police have said there's no immediate threat. The boy being dragged 300+ feet up a hill is also interesting to me; I'll admit that I'm not extremely knowledgeable on wolves and coyotes, but could a single one drag a human up what I assume was a fairly steep hillside by itself? Would it take a pack? (Maybe I'm making too many assumptions here but nothing in the police statements implied to me that they have any evidence of there being more than one animal involved.)
I admit that when I heard about this, my first thought wasn't a coyote, wolf, or dog, but...a werewolf. Not the type you see in movies, where it's a human changing into a monster, but instead a wolf-like creature with some human traits, such as walking on two legs. I was surprised when I found this website and discovered my idea of a werewolf is very similar to a dogman. I've never seen one of these types of creatures before, but I'm a big believer in cryptids and for some reason the idea of there being what I call a "werewolf" out there has always stuck in my mind and was the immediate thought that popped into my head when this happened.
This got quite long and I probably contributed nothing good to the conversation but I just wanted to give some thoughts as a lifelong southeastern Kentucky resident. Prior to this attack, the only animals I was really afraid of were bears, but now I feel a lot more on-edge, especially with my neighbor's dogs going wild lately. I'm not sure if the news story was posted here, but I read one from a local news outlet where one of the people they talked to said they never expected anything like this to happen in their community, and I feel the same. While SE Kentucky is a place with a lot of wildlife, it's also a place where a lot of people love being outdoors, love hunting, love just being up in the hills, and I don't think anyone I knew really felt they were in any immediate danger being out in the woods prior to this. It's my personal belief that whatever this was--whether it be a coyote or a dogman or something else--either recently turned aggressive, or was driven from its home in the hills for some reason (lack of food? other animals intruding on its turf?) and came closer to people's houses. There are so many factors that we'll probably never know--what was the boy doing when this happened? did he approach the animal or did it go after him totally unprovoked?--that make it impossible to know what really happened, but I just pray that this was a one-time thing and it doesn't happen again. For now, I feel pretty unsafe.
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 26, 2020 3:18:49 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts wildcats1 and welcome. I'm up in ME and it's THICK with coyotes here. They have interbred with grey wolves from the N in some cases which creates a larger version than normal and have been given the name coywolf. Just 2 days ago I was following up the largest set of coyote tracks I've come across in the woods out front, it was traveling with a normal sized animal. Anyway, No, I do not think a standard lone coyote would drag that boy 3-400 feet up what looks to be a steep hill(from the street view images), He seemed on the slim side so maybe, but I doubt it. A large coyote can get to around 55lbs, don't know if they've come up with an average for coywolves but I do not believe they've made it down to KY. I'm assuming the the wolves you have there are the smaller reds and in most places they are endangered so likely low in number. Maybe an occasional Grey makes it down there, but fairly sure they've been cleaned out. Either case is unlikely, reds and coyotes are wary, secretive and skittish, they know you're coming and bolt long before they are seen in most cases. Now a dog such as a pitbull with no fear of humans would probably be able to drag if that's what happened, I didn't see anything definitive stating he was dragged, just that he was found up the hill behind the house, he may have just gone up on his own.
There was a recent, (2015 maybe)? case up in Nova Scotia IIRC of a small frame female running with earbuds along a woodland trail, she was attacked by coyotes and killed, they had a rough Winter and were getting desperate as the story goes. But it's awfully rare, hard to even find a documented case of wolves killing a human in the last 80 years.
Maybe the culprit will be discovered, my guess is the record will state domestic dog or unknown canine. Did a dogman do it? Well if they're out there it sure looks like good habitat for them.
If you haven't listened to the dogman encounters with Kyle linked above, along with the other encounter he had (he mentions which episodes in the above linked) he is from KY and has quite a story-maybe of interest. It only mentions the death of the boy in passing, no discussion about it other than sympathies.
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Post by peterandthewolf on Mar 6, 2020 9:07:32 GMT
Jeff Nadolny has got contact with the government agent sent to investigate the 13 year old boys death youtu.be/q-ecb3toUe4 |
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Post by trolljegeren on Mar 6, 2020 15:26:47 GMT
I haven't seen that channel, I'll give a listen, thanks for the heads up.
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Post by trolljegeren on Mar 6, 2020 18:36:35 GMT
Just listened. And my thoughts are that it's a nicely crafted tale but I'm highly suspect of 2 guys from a secret government agency dropped by helicopter to investigate a very recent case, spend 2 nights hunting/killing the culprit and then having it told on a YT dogman channel. Especially if the details include evidence of DM being a top secret government project--The story mentions the thing still had it's manufacture tag from Washington DC in 1986. There is NO way those two would still have a job or their freedom--unless the "leak" is all part of a master plan. IDK man...I'm open to the possibility that the death is due to dogman predation but I won't see the evidence or proof from where I'm standing.
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Post by virtusblack on Jun 4, 2020 21:05:06 GMT
True dat. I think its ridiculous that a coyote had something to do with it, but I don't listen to anything government agents from the internet have to say ;p. What I remember hearing about this was that it was declared that a coyote or other canine was responsible, which is so ridiculous it's basically like saying, "we were ordered to lie to you about this and we don't like it, so we're just going to tell you something so outlandish you will not only disbelieve it, but you'll know we WANTED you to disbelieve it..."
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Post by Con on Jun 8, 2020 22:27:00 GMT
What I don't get is the "There's no threat but keep your eyes open." Oh sure there's no threat but there clearly is, especially if they can't identify it. You've got to question just how good their DNA testing is if they can't figure out what kind of animal it was.
Damn shame about that woman, but it drives home how you have to be aware of your surroundings. When I lived abroad, where I first started running, I ran with earphones in. Was a kid, and the road wasn't often used and clear, but I learned right quick to keep aware of my surroundings, so I dropped one headphone out, and eventually switched to sports earphones that sit over the ear rather than in it. Still have the "one in one out" rule when I go running, even though the earphones I have now sit on the ear. I love music but I love being safe too.
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Post by Rod on Jan 13, 2023 3:27:01 GMT
Although I'm a believer in Dogman I would lean towards the wild dog attack but there are a couple of questions that need to be clarified. How did this young lad's body get so high up on the hillside? if wild dogs were involved in dragging the boy then there would be horrific injuries involved.
On the Dogman theory, we have to keep an open mind there are numerous mine sights where Corey's body was found an ideal den for a Dogman to dwell. Depending on the injuries there is a possibility he was carried.
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Post by sensesonfire on Jan 15, 2023 1:27:23 GMT
 South East Kentucky has some of the highest Dogman reports in the US the area also has the highest concentration of Black Bears and in 2016 there were estimated to be about 1000 but there has been only one recorded non-fatal attack back in 2010 there may have been more since then. Young Cody's body was found 400 meters up the hillside and I believe this has great significance in the mystery of this case. There is no way a dog pack could do that, especially when a pack of dogs wasn't even implicated so he had to be carried and the only two capable would be a black bear or a Dogman mine caves in the area would be a hideaway for both. The authorities say they have canine DNA evidence so that eliminates black bears but I'm sure there is information the public hasn't been privy to. There is a picture of what appears to be a severed paw retrieved from the bushes by a guy's dog while bushwalking in SE Kentucky it could belong to either a black bear or as I believe a Dogman. The paw has patchy black hair on the upper side and almost human-like fingers with long pointed nails in my opinion nothing like a BB's. I have the pic but it's a JPG image so I can't insert it here but the photo was presented to the program Expedition Bigfoot and can be seen in this episode Season 2 Episode 4 ''Hand Of The Beast" and the experts didn't believe it was from a Bigfoot. The paw pic can be seen above. |
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Post by trolljegeren on Jan 15, 2023 4:38:40 GMT
Agreed, I think the hill is a big factor in determining the culprit. Was he dragged or did he go up on his own. I'd assume that if there was evidence of drag marks that would have been mentioned, maybe not. I'd also assume it would entail a scuffle but again, maybe not. Without some better intel we can only speculate. No doubt it's good habitat. If you shrink the size of your pic to below 1mb it should upload. |
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