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Post by peterandthewolf on Jul 4, 2020 8:56:00 GMT
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 5, 2020 0:56:34 GMT
Does not look like a bear to me. I like this one, it's been around for a bit. Seems like there are pronounced ears on the head.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 5, 2020 5:24:38 GMT
I saw this a while back, something I notice when it started to stand and move back looks like it's arms move first right then left (if facing the creature) perhaps to strike it's chest much like gorillas do. I think I counted two strikes per arm first right then left, very quick the distance doesn't help of course. Also the steps back I believe are at an angle like there is a rotation in the hips. I might grab this video and enhance the audio, there is a head raise after the standing up and during the possible strikes to the chest .. maybe we can make out some kind of vocalization.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 5, 2020 16:17:36 GMT
I'd be interested to see what you can get SRU. I wish the guy could have kept its retreat in the field of view.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 6, 2020 1:28:28 GMT
Cool I will give it a shot.. and yes I agree the camera moving around is not great probably 14 seconds total it's on video (starting at 00:00:46 and gone at 1:00 mark). Either way it probably will be 420 pictures. As for the audio I will try to grab it in 256kbps (figuring that iTunes music is at 256kbps) so hopefully that should be good enough to do some cleanup on as well as enhance/boost certain parts (mainly 51 seconds to 59 seconds maybe that 1 minute (background noises really)). We will see could be interesting.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 6, 2020 6:12:37 GMT
I ran into a bit of trouble (technical) moving files between my video/audio working machine and this machine. I don't have a YouTube channel or anything of the sort. I stabilized the main portion where the subject is on the video. Also I will post pictures of frames ( I will be uploading all 420 pictures from this video and 90 pictures for the Fort ST.Lucie DM video). streamable.com/j02fddVideo pretty much is when creature is on the screen, but since some of the individual frames looked more interesting than the video, I thought I was should movement and the creature in frame 416 actually moved it's position to look at the fishermen. Going frame by frame is interesting for sure you see movement and it's a bit quick. Interesting frames: 315/325/346/352/353/356/357/358/359-362/416 i.ibb.co/Tm0BwLc/out00315.pngi.ibb.co/B2CQBQv/out00325.pngi.ibb.co/VtVk3VZ/out00346.pngi.ibb.co/p0ppxSK/out00352.pngi.ibb.co/CPxQDCk/out00353.pngi.ibb.co/PtZfGWt/out00356.pngi.ibb.co/w6zLzjB/out00357.pngi.ibb.co/c1qYwPf/out00359.pngi.ibb.co/sq73D8J/out00416.pngThe "tx_dm" 420 pictures is zipped and 118 megs it was a 14 second duration using ffmpeg to extract the frames (assumed 30 frames) gofile.io/d/WAakNUI cleaned up the audio best as I could, not easy the wind was quite loud and the majority of the sound, but listening with headphones I was able to make out bird noises at various intervals, I would use headphones for sure. Interesting part is that before the people see the subject there is maybe two or three birds nothing alarming but it picks up then (00:08,00:24,00:043 (00:51 people see the creature and by 00:58 or 59 it's standing) I will work on the chest beating part if someone wants feel free to slow the original look at the zoomed in part and have it run at .25 speed (option on YouTube). This portion may take me a while. gofile.io/d/pKQSgM(mp3 file ~3mb) Everything here is for anyone to use I didn't cleanup or enhance any of the frames only worked a bit on the video and the audio before extracting frames. I think I should make a tutorial on using ffmpeg/shotcut/ and a few other free tools.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 7, 2020 23:48:41 GMT
Thanks for that SRU. The stills do give a better representation. I see what looks to be an elongated head, possibly canine-ish. Hard to gauge but it looks pretty tall.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 8, 2020 6:47:06 GMT
No worries, always glad to help. Generally I don't like the put out there what I think I see as not to influence others, but yes I see a longer head but also arms and a hunched posture. Pictures 353/356 are rather clear, but then again it's too far to make out any real details maybe arms and body, but it has a good sized hump on the back. I wanted to mention that 416, it actually peeks over the hill that was to it's left hand side. It's interesting that it sought cover when it released there is no immediate threat and kept eyes on the people, seen this with big cats but I've also seen them freeze in place because moving would result in them having the sun in their eyes. I believe the birds might be either a western scrub jay not 100% sure, but they are in the region. Most of these videos are not going to show a creature for a long duration (they seem aware and want nothing to do with humans) so extracting individual frames can show a bit more maybe in behavior or general appearance. BTW I have noticed something, dogmen in a few pictures I have looked at seem to have their upper chest to the deltoid covered in hair but the arms say bicept on down seem to have less in relation. Of course there are variations between members of the same species, but something I noticed in a few as well as a hump. I will put together a tutorial on using ffmpeg ( I know you guys use GIMP, same here) and maybe shotcut if you guys are interested. I am a bit disappointed that I was not able to clean up the audio, I thought with the distance that maybe by 59-60's maybe 1m02s the sound would have traveled from the creature to the people, but everything was just too loud at that point. I tried filtering out the frequencies of people laughing, wind and a bit on voices but keep enough that we can have an accurate conversation where perhaps more information can be gleaned. I got the arm movements towards the chest finished as well : streamable.com/wj06o8The video repeats three times pretty slow 20% speed. (frames 361-378)
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 8, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
That's a vast improvement over the original, I can see the arm movement now, R goes up and elbow out to the side/rear, L comes up. From some things you mentioned it's sounds as if you've spent time in the field, good to have some experience of the natural goings-on out there while trying to suss out the possibly not so natural. Methinks that knowledge is the primary piece of kit for investigating any cryptid and it's becoming a bit of a rare item nowadays.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 9, 2020 0:21:46 GMT
I honestly believe that most of these phones are recording at 24 fps although on paper it's between 24-30 fps. Extracting at 30fps yields "extra" frames (it's pretty much slowing down the video) which are on the video. Look at slow motion cameras they run maybe 500 - 10,000 fps. For example if this recording is at 24fps we should extract 336 frames instead we get 420 frames for the 14 seconds where the subject is on video. Instead of maybe two frames showing flashes of movement, which are discernable from a video, hence why I picked up on it from the original video. We may have four to six frames showing the motion a bit better as opposed to two frames. I may one day decide to pickup another external HD just to try a 500 fps or at least 60-100 fps of one of these videos, if there is a really great video with clear shots and not a stability nightmare.
I never spent time in the field investigating cryptids, just have experience with animals (did some work with big cats 17 years ago), which really taught me to pay very close attention to what animals do. This was one of the first things I was taught when working with big cats as demenor, eyes, posture and tails tell you if you are about to have a bad day. I worked in the IT industry (not audio/video) for quite a while then moved on to oil where we had "something" and got me interested in cryptids. I think more than anything I really have no idea about what these cryptids are but I am pretty open to whatever they could be. I know that there are things out there that are real, be it that others or even the scientific community publicly think not.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 10, 2020 12:39:19 GMT
Ah, I was thinking that anyone who had seen enough big cats to understand some mannerisms must have been out in the wild places quite a bit, that's not a common occurrence. But that is cool you worked with them and had the chance to glean a few things from observing a large predator. I'm curious, would you care to say anything about the "something" that you experienced? Or message if you'd rather.
Thanks again for the time on the vids, I'll take a look at those stills. I lost my cs with a new computer, wouldn't migrate, thanks adobe...so have little in the way of editing software. I have not had enough time/experience with the Affinity pro I replaced it with, that doesn't seem as intuitive to me.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 10, 2020 14:22:47 GMT
Ah, I was thinking that anyone who had seen enough big cats to understand some mannerisms must have been out in the wild places quite a bit, that's not a common occurrence. But that is cool you worked with them and had the chance to glean a few things from observing a large predator. I'm curious, would you care to say anything about the "something" that you experienced? Or message if you'd rather. Thanks again for the time on the vids, I'll take a look at those stills. I lost my cs with a new computer, wouldn't migrate, thanks adobe...so have little in the way of editing software. I have not had enough time/experience with the Affinity pro I replaced it with, that doesn't seem as intuitive to me. This happened in Western ND, we were doing transloading (for frac sand) and worked 12 hour shifts at night. It was a total of three times we had something out there around July - September. I always kept a 2000 lumen flashlight in my truck and the worksite had their own very bright flashlight (we only saw it by flashlight). Our work area of course is by the railroad tracks and is surrounded by farmland deer/antelope/elk and during a certain time of year we have moose. Coyotes are normal as well as foxes, badgers and even mountain lions and wolves. We were having a pretty slow night at work the first time was mid July there was three of us just chatting away when in the field behind the sand yard we heard a loud screeching hyena like sound, best I can describe it is the whooping of a hyena a "yeeeeah" sound but deep. This was followed up by a deep growl, all three of us heard the whoop, but myself and the other person who was outside of the truck heard the growl, not a dog growl but also deep. Never known any animal that gives up itself like that, we didn't even know it was out there had it not made a ruckus. My boss who was in the truck hit the flashlight on the field and we saw something good sized on all fours (guessing here but it was off the deck looking back at us) by a rock mound not on but by it. All the farmers here have rockpiles in their fields this is probably 75m away from us but we saw eye shine that was yellow. It was different for sure, I am used to deer eyeshine a yellowish but this was bright actually it was pretty much the only thing, didn't catch anything but black. To me it reminded me of when an animal is unsure as to what your intentions are and wants to make sure before continuing on. On all fours it was not short, nothing like say what I see with a coyote (lots of them around here). Many of us are hunters or outdoors people and none of us knew of animals that announced themselves like that. Either way having the idea that it wanted to make sure we were not there to hunt or cause harm I suggested we turn off the light and let it go about it's business. Nothing further happened that night. Maybe a couple weeks later two guys by themselves had their experience, one of the guys called me afterwards who thought we were joking that something was out in the field doing something (making noise and running around), well he was there that time and heard it first hand. From what they told me they pointed their car's at the field to try to glimpse whatever it was, but there is just so much land, they saw nothing. The third time was about September and it was starting to get cold, I already had some moose going through my property because I had seen a mother and calf in the morning. It is nighttime and I was helping one of the guys with his truck under the awning, the way that the truck was pointed it was facing the field and we could have a good vantage over the entire worksite although it was a rather slow night. We heard that same hyena type whoop he grabbed the flashlight from the engine bay and shined it where we had heard the noise (towards the very beginning of the field by the road). Where he pointed we got movement and we heard they whooping hyena call again. This thing was fast, I mean fast it covered probably a half of a mile in 15 seconds and honestly I think it was faster than that. I saw something on two legs then it dropped to four and made it's way to the rock pile as before and came back up to two legs. This time it was maybe mid field we caught it running and it was a dark black, take the darkest black like a void only thing is the eyes reflected. My coworker decided to walk out there, nuttiest thing, he made it just before the ditch (5-10 feet away) towards the field from where we were working. Then he ran back ( I told him before whatever you do don't run; Backup slowly) but he ran to his truck that I was working on. From what he said it looked like a dog but shoulder reached about 4.5 - 5 feet and he made it clear it's not a dog looks like a dog but not a dog. It stared at the both of us until he put the flashlight a bit off of it, I'm guessing it made it's escape then. Whoop: acoustics.org/pressroom/httpdocs/155th/pagehyena_bj3.wavEveryone of us has had an odd feeling, first it's a poorly lit place in certain places and it's about half a mile length wise. I don't like to scare myself so when I've had these vibes at work I would make it a point to take a walk all around the sand yard. It wasn't uncommon to have 2 maybe 3 people in a night out there and sometimes we were by ourselves all night, but after that one time I had a bad enough feeling that I put my hatchet into my bag and stayed in the office with the door locked. Nothing ever happened on the day shift only night shift but after September we heard and saw nothing. Now in August (2019) I found some odd prints, I saw what looked like a foot not just a dogs foot but an arch and heel. I should say that the rock is something I stumble over and didn't want to move. i.ibb.co/yptVP0x/IMG-20190831-221925961.jpgi.ibb.co/pjHB1TJ/IMG-20190831-221934262.jpgi.ibb.co/syN6Vmg/IMG-20190831-234215414-BURST000-COVER-TOP.jpg
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 11, 2020 0:15:45 GMT
Thanks for all of that SRU, great report of your encounter. 4.5'-5'at the shoulder on all 4 and running bipedal too, doesn't sound like too many options given that. Amazingly fast from what you witnessed,not surprised I guess given how they are described. Nice to have other witnesses on site I bet. I often wonder how folks process a sighting like you experienced if they have zero prior knowledge of what is out there.
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Post by SomeRandomUser on Jul 11, 2020 1:50:42 GMT
You know after it happened the first time I won't lie I didn't have an idea of what it could be I probably spent two weeks thinking maybe a bear, while we don't have them here, they are next door in Montana. Animals make all kinds of sounds, sometimes we are not familiar with them as a few years back in SeaWorld an orca made noises that were totally foreign to scientists. So I kept a pretty open mind, I did a bunch of research online, thinking that bigfoot have been reported in our county as well as neighboring counties, also I have a large national/state parks around me maybe 12 miles away. It's not very far then I stumbled that people report seeing creatures other than bigfoot, it seemed to match the description. I honestly wish I would have recorded the sounds this thing made, I would have loved to compare that to other (known) animals. The paw print while good size and looked a little different I didn't want to say that for sure is what it is. I think that the third time really was the kicker because I know what I saw from two feet to four and it goes back to two, interesting too it would pull itself with the front arms.
When I found that paw print the deck (ground) was actually pretty hard, like yes it's a sand yard but sand is not just everywhere and there might be a very thin layer of soft dirt but I will tell you I was shaking. I couldn't really shake the feeling that my back was to the field and I am the only one out on foot that was a bit nerve wrecking. I think what got me most is the arch and heel. This never made sense as what it was that left that print maybe a big dog walked and something followed it what would leave the arch and heel? I used to have nightmares where I walk into a lions cage (dealt with privately owned bigcats) and maybe I didn't put the animal into an isolation cage wherein I am immediately charged by the lion, I would freak out in the dream and try to run to the gate then I would realize even in a dream that I am screwing up badly and turn around. It never happened in real life but that thought with the field behind me bothered me, felt very vulnerable. Even though we are working rather remote, it's fine to have a firearm but if you use it for anything you would get fired, I always figured that if it came down to it my life is more important than a job. My previous introduction to anything cryptid was typical shows about bigfoot or the lochness monster, I won't lie I thought it could be possible. These experiences though solidified to me that I saw something different than say bigfoot, other people experienced something that was different to bigfoot, so if this exists why can't other things. Or at least the common bigfoot reports we hear of, although from reading a bit seems that they also can go on four feet. I am pretty open minded if say I saw a bear here running around on two legs, I can rationalize that's what I saw, but it was just too odd. Pretty much all of us on night shift when sleeping in our cars would lock our doors and after an incident we would all go together as a group, one person is going we all went. We even told AM guys that something was out there it runs and makes a ruckus out in the field, we basically took it serious not knowing what it was. Look I am comfortable with a lot of things and don't fear animals. I have a healthy respect for all animals but I was concerned had thought that uneasy feeling, where you hope this is the end of whatever is going on and butterflies in my stomach. I want to mention coyotes were absent, not a peep and we have a few packs around within say ear shot of the worksite in 2018 and even now in 2020 I hear coyotes at night as normal.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jul 11, 2020 2:46:10 GMT
No doubt, that is an intriguing print and it does look like an arch and heel indent are present. Did you find them in the same area as the sighting? I can imagine that being a tense situation out there--having to get work done while whatever is running around behind you, unsettling to say the least. I'm envious though!
That's also interesting about the coyotes going silent. again, not so surprising i guess. There was an episode of dogman encounters-- title had something about 12 men in it---they had a run in with 2 DM which they shot numerous times with shotguns(don't know the load but IIRC 12ga) The DM were apparently in close proximity to a pack of coyotes. The interviewer got a recording of what sounds to me to be coyotes with one intermixed howl that is a bit deeper and louder but still within coyote range. I live in a coyote den so get to hear a good bit of their vocalizations frequently. I'm not convinced that what he recorded was a DM but that is also interesting, because 2 of them were present and very near the pack who didn't seem bothered. IDK, maybe they hunt together with a pecking order but I imagine if a DM showed up in a new territory, it would quiet most everything down.
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