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Post by peterandthewolf on Aug 3, 2020 13:33:45 GMT
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Post by somerandomuser on Aug 3, 2020 17:01:12 GMT
Initially a bull (video is sideways and looks like it's being recorded off of another phone there might also be an audio boost it's very clear). I might grab the audio and compare it to a bull see if they are the same frequencies. youtu.be/5z-2keWtDuQ?t=45
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Post by peterandthewolf on Aug 5, 2020 18:10:13 GMT
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 5, 2020 20:14:28 GMT
It could be a DM but given where it's coming from it's more likely to be a bull. Sure, the land may be surrounded by swamp and deep woods, not pasture but I can't buy what jeff is selling after all of the govt agent nonsense.
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Post by somerandomuser on Aug 5, 2020 22:47:22 GMT
I propose the following : Get the audio; Put it into an audio editor (eg. Audacity). source: animalstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1022&context=acwp_asie From there wolves are between "150 Hz to more than 1,000 Hz for adults". (DM are canid possibly)This is a pretty big difference between the two so it should be easy to figure out by filtering out specific frequencies relative to each species. There is some overlap so we use SonicVisualizer as well to compare the two files. Perhaps it can be compared to other species vocalizations as well to see if anything resembles or comes close. source: academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/88/3/606/1065987While yes the whole secret agent thing bothered me it's okay to analyze everything, it gives the community more tools in the toolbox. It seems that we get lots of photo/video/audio evidence these things can and should be analyzed. Currently I don't have the time/resources to pour into WASIS – Wildlife Animal Sound Identification System project (OpenSource github.com/leandrotacioli/WASIS ). But I can grab the audio from the video and compare them, maybe someone else would like to do the same. It's always nice to know where something happened because then others can discount say a bull, be it through using satellite imagery in conjunction with searching for local cattle farms, it'd give people an idea of what exactly is around that area. If people are interested I can find the official documentation and a pre-built (compiled) release of WASIS, not sure about audio files, been looking at it for a couple of days since hearing that vocalization.
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 6, 2020 1:16:41 GMT
I can plug the Zoom H2 into the output jack and record a 16 bit 44.1 kHz wav version of the sound from YT and run it through audacity. I'm far more at home with boots on the ground searching but I'll see what I can come up with. Thanks for the links SRU. Yep, I shouldn't discount everything from Nadolny. Though it would significantly cut down on the case load if there wasn't so much garbage put up as "evidence."
I recently started looking at some FB dogman pages, my gods man, some of the stuff people put out---as if they've never been outside--just an interest in DM and then every natural sound or activity in those 5 trees between them and the neighbor becomes a dogman stalking them, telepathically communicating with them or even invisibly nudging them...I wish this cryptid stuff stayed fringe, twilighty pop culture is making a mess of things...anyway rant off.
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Post by somerandomuser on Aug 6, 2020 12:38:51 GMT
Excellent 44.1KHz should be pretty good iirc that is what most phones record at I'll probably work on it today myself. I will document everything in my next post on this thread, not sure if you want to upload the audio but it'd be a good idea so others can also recreate the testing/analysis.
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Post by Janet on Aug 6, 2020 23:56:38 GMT
Hello, I came across the map of sightings. I have been listening to interviews of dogman encounters online and from the interviews I believe there are many more sightings in Texas. There was a witness at the northern Texas border near Oklahoma, another in Waco, TX, another in Dallas, another in Sam Houston National Forest, one in Houston, TX, another in Ft. Worth, TX,... etc. There are many more from Oregon and California. I also found a recording where the recorder called the sounds in the woods he recorded Bigfoot yells, but it sounds more like wolf sounds to me. Is there more than one DM sighting map? I could send the youtube link for the Bigfoot sounds later, so you may listen and give your thoughts about it.
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 7, 2020 0:48:08 GMT
I have not seen another sighting map outside of cloaked hedgehog and the NADP map which has less sightings covered and only NA, not surprisingly. I haven't done an overlay to see which is on what map but in at least one case there is more info on the NADP version than C.H., for whatever reason CH took that story down but left the marker. probably a copyright issue. northamericandogmanproject.com/encountersI'd be interested in hearing whichever bigfoot/DM vocal you are referring to. And welcome BTW!
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Post by Janet on Aug 7, 2020 6:44:32 GMT
Hello, thank you for the response and the welcome! The person who posted it calls it Bigfoot howls, but I think it is actually wolf howls. Be forewarned there is a little bad language on it. Would like to know your thoughts about it. Bigfoot howls Jul 31, 2018 thomas saunders. www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3FjvDzmDTY
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Post by Janet on Aug 7, 2020 7:00:43 GMT
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 7, 2020 12:54:02 GMT
Not a bad looking video, has all the classic elements to the point of cliché but I think what Bedlam Video commented(below) is probably the case. I'm no video expert by any means but grabbing a screenshot and brightening/zooming I see the "creature" within plant material that has not moved (some in front of the subject, the rest behind but it's one plant), and also the straight line mentioned in the comment: "If I were to give an opinion, I would say it's composited. Download this on keepvid.com, toss it in an editor and frame-by-frame it.
The lighting on the palms, while somewhat matching where hitting on the weeds, is off in color. The big one is though, that when the furry figure makes it's appearance, there is no reaction movement from the foilage(in the respective areas it is rising from). To add, closely examine 1:03-1:04 and watch the compositing "scars" that halos the arms/elbows as they rise up(it's like a blurry alpha glow- a quick edit, instead of getting in there and going around the individual furs extending from the arms).
We can actually pause on a frame around 1:03 and see the cropping line of the right arm of the creature as it rises from the weeds... ...and it's a straight horizontal line.
It doesn't matter if the werewolf itself is "real" or not, the point is, it is NOT in this environment in camera.
I'm not an expert. I do have a BFA in Animation/Film, and this is strictly my opinion from my experience with messing around with compositing myself, and putting a lot of attention into detail for what I make."
L arrow is the straight line, R the same spot of plant as the arrow in lower pic.
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 7, 2020 13:00:29 GMT
Hello, thank you for the response and the welcome! The person who posted it calls it Bigfoot howls, but I think it is actually wolf howls. Be forewarned there is a little bad language on it. Would like to know your thoughts about it. Bigfoot howls Jul 31, 2018 thomas saunders. www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3FjvDzmDTY I agree, it does sound more wolf-like, especially since the guy recording hears barks within the howls. Could even be dogs I guess, hard to tell given the echo.
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Post by trolljegeren on Aug 7, 2020 14:00:44 GMT
Waveform and spectrogram for the OP video/audio: A bit easier to make out-- maybe not. The sound were after is represented by the white:
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Post by somerandomuser on Aug 7, 2020 15:22:14 GMT
Tools Used: Youtube-DL ffmpeg Audacity SonicVisualizer Graphics: Vocal Graph Comparing Unknown Subject, Bull and Wolf i.ibb.co/f2MM2Gq/vocal-graph1.pngWolf and Unknown Subject comparison i.ibb.co/ZMXQdwz/dm-wolf.pngUniformity Of Unknown Subject Vocalization i.ibb.co/KbtBH3W/dm-uniformity.pngGetting Video: youtube-dl www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZJpXQ0YXUcExtracting audio First we isolate a small sample from each of the audio samples 3 calls from the possible DogMan one from a wolf, and two from an angus bull. (File used rougaro_only_3calls.wav) (On vocal-graph1 above "DogMan".) Unknown Subject sample there seems to be two frequencies overlapping or with a negliable pause on every call (vocalization) (Refer to "dm-uniformity"). It is not one continious call instead it is fragmented with variation in frequency. The call here ranges between 390 - 1426Hz. I thought this was peculiar. Now the first call started at 1.02 till 3.78 (2020ms), the second call 4.504 to 6.524 (2020ms) the third call from 9.98 to 11.540 (1560ms). (File used bull_2calls.wav) ( On vocal-graph1 above "Bull".) The bull meanwhile is ranging between 204 - 3270HZ and is a continious sound although frequency does change during long and short calls. The bull had two long calls and two short calls, the first long call 3.842-6.780 (3298ms) the second at 9.98-11.540 (3251ms). ( On vocal-graph1 left of "Wolf") I was really interested in seeing if other animals have pauses during frequency changes in their calls, so I decided to use a wolf howl to get a better idea. The wolf's howl starts around 597 Hz and goes to 1329.68Hz, also the duration goes from 1.799 to 9.369 (7570ms) and was one continious call with no pauses or gaps when changing of tone. In the same amount of time that a wolf makes two calls the unknown subject could make three with a 2020ms duration in calls. It should be noted that the call is not an exact match for a wolf but resembles in shape but not an exact match as the wolf is a single generally linear call. (The howl is of one wolf.) Thoughts and Questions The wolf howl starts at 597Hz meanwhile the subject starts 390, keeping in mind that a bull starts at 204Hz one could say it might be larger than a wolf but not as large as a bull. The preplexing thing is that it is such a short duration (about 2.02 seconds) where a wolf puts out about 7.5 seconds and a bull puts out about 3.2 seconds. But the average lion chuff is not too long either between 2 - 4 seconds depending on if they are building up their chuff. So realistically lung capacity and size tend to correlate if it is something other than a canid (vocalization signature differing) maybe that explains the short duration because foxes when they bark/scream it's for a good 3 - 4 seconds. Possibly this Unknown Subject is not canid but then again I know that some animals mimic others including ones we might not think of such as margay's imitating a tamarin monkey could it be doing that? I really want to know why at tone changes it is not a constant vocalization, I plan on checking other animals to see if this happens anywhere else in nature. There are some frequencies which overlapped between the bull and the Unknown Subject, although the signature for the calls are quite different, this is shown in the picture beneath "Overlap" in vocal-graph1. I kind of had a thought that perhaps two frequencies at the same time might not be possible so it might be another individual. I also compared the vocalization of the Unknown Subject to a wolf howl, the signature is somewhat similar minus the gaps during frequency changes and duration. (Refer to dm_wolf graphic.) I will need to regraph the unknown subject and the wolf to make a better comparison. Edit: Forgot to post files (wav's) and datasets (CSV ~16mb ~500,000 data points) All files being analyzed uploaded to gofile gofile.io/d/J20fG7Edit 1: added vocalization signature Edit 2: As stated above I was interested in why the non-uniform call signature from the Unknown Subject I did some more research and saw an article which shows a similar non-uniform call from wolves. frontiersinzoology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12983-015-0114-0**meh picture didn't display it's in the article** TLDR: Overlap and second frequency would mean a possible secondary individual. Edit 3: Wolf Howl uploaded gofile.io/d/iwxVwy (.wav(wavform) uncompressed)
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