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Post by Kiyona on Jan 14, 2021 7:08:31 GMT
Is anyone in the Carolinas to confirm if this was on your local news?
I find it very heartbreaking that an elderly woman was attacked and whoever did this to her needs to be put down.
This isn't the only case, I think there were at least a couple attacks from 'dogs' in Texas as well. What do you guys think? Dogman? A psychotic human? Or something else?
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Post by ag47 on Jan 14, 2021 12:54:19 GMT
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Post by trolljegeren on Jan 14, 2021 17:15:12 GMT
Run in with 4 DM 50 miles away (as the crow flies) from the Hamilton residence:
Edit to add These woods are Haunted S1 ep5 (free with 7 day trial on slamazon slime) has the above story also wherein Dave states he only saw 2 creatures. Been a while since I've listened to the DME episode so I don't recall the details.
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Post by Kiyona on Jan 15, 2021 2:20:17 GMT
The guy has my dream truck and trailer...F350 and an Air Stream!
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Post by somerandomuser on Jan 21, 2021 18:17:40 GMT
Animal attacks tend to have quite a bit of investigation I know that claw curvature is specific to species, for example a mountain lion has different size and curve than say a black bear or canid. I also know that width and shape of bites is specific for specific species, for example if I see a deer with a 3.5 inch wide bite (where the canine teeth are 3.5 inches apart) we are dealing with a big cat eg African lion/tiger also the canine teeth do vary like an African lion has commonly canine teeth the size of an index or pinky finger also we will see large slashes as they use claws to hold onto prey. Also when we look at the prey/victim cats are very efficient compared to say canines who generally you will see lots of bites on the legs and ripping apart of the prey item or victim we won't see much in the way of claws being used. Dragging also is looked at for example a bear might drag a prey item up to a 1/4 mile a big cat depending on species might go 300m (max) or haul a prey item into a tree. It is very specific the signs one looks for to the point that if we had a deer which had a puncture to the base of the skull or similar injuries with a wide canine gap I would think a jaguar (of course depends on the location). Basically if someone knows what they are looking for and looking over the scene with various measurements you can really have a good idea of the species.
Personally I think they know exactly or roughly what is responsible for these "unknown animal attacks" but also their is a belief that the public will panic and this is what is keeping authorities from disclosing the responsible party. I remember the lady who it was said she was attacked by her two pitbulls at first there was a puncture to the skull and many people called BS, it got to such a point where the Sherriff did a second press conference to clean up the story; I just wonder which one is true and we will never know because it's repulsive to look over a deceased human who died violently and tragically but also for some reason the news, you know those people who tell us everything at least everything we should know plain don't care.
Law Enforcement and news have a very close working relationship, news want the scoop and LE want help but also have an investigation to protect. So if a news outlet got records and had a competent group analyze said records and some other conclusion is reached well that just impinged upon the competency of local Law Enforcement, they may not want to give you that next scoop for some big story. While we might have an idea of things out there the general public has been conditioned to not accept such things, it would be a pretty big culture shock and yes someone would panic, someone always does but not telling the people means that they stay unaware and not alert for a possible danger. Even if unarmed with a bit of knowledge and frankness on a topic tragedy can be avoided, there might be certain behavior a person encountering an animal may want to stay away from sort of a "negotiation" to show that one is not a danger or knowledge which can be helpful when all goes poorly. For example tigers they have shorter front limbs than back limbs, running down a hill is not done as fast as on a level field, not that I suggest anyone runs but if the option presents itself it can save your life it's important.
And there have been several in Virginia, West VA, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas sometimes it's dogs sometimes people but the story is always forgotten about that's the constant. I wanted to add that unlike what we see with domestic canine attacks fatal or not the family does not ever appear to advocate for breed specific legislation, not that I personally believe in BSL but usually we see a very different story when actual known canine attacks. It's a very different story and discussion these cases do not follow the same "story line".
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Post by Kiyona on Jan 22, 2021 5:51:34 GMT
Off topic but I despise'breed' legislation. The US society is full of too many letigious whipped men so now and even police dogs are getting scrutinized everytime they bite a criminial. It's messed up that this society is so gullible that 'pitbulls' take the blame for an attack. If the woman owned miniature poodles they would have had to be scrambling for some other BS story.
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Post by trolljegeren on Jan 22, 2021 17:00:26 GMT
Lots of good points there SRU. I agree, officials probably have a good idea of the culprits and are not saying. And I gather they also know if they are dealing with something outside of the catalog, and call that "unidentified" then accept that a mildly knowledgeable person will think them incompetent for inability to assess from tell-tale signs. I got this shot on a trail cam out in the front woods, most likely from multiple coyote swipes/grabs, giving it the width. Using its tail as a gauge and guessing it is 3-3.5" wide, the claw marks might also indicate a bear swipe. Probably wouldn't be here if it was a dogman. I live in characteristic habitat though....
This guy was seen on cam and in person lumbering around shredding dead trees.
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Post by whitefeather on Jan 23, 2021 20:09:42 GMT
I don't know how common it is across the Country, but I've had several encounters with what are normally called 'coy-dogs' here in the Eastern U.S.. The term is meant to apply to a coyote-dog crossbreed, but has been used to describe feral dogs exhibiting pack behavior as well. Where I grew up a fair number of these were farm dogs that were allowed to roam free. Individually they weren't a problem, but gathered together they became quite predatory. It's worth noting that often all members of a given 'pack' were domestic dogs without any coyotes or crossbreeds among them.
I'm not suggesting this is what happened in this case, just that it is a possibility.
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Post by somerandomuser on Jan 24, 2021 5:19:07 GMT
Lots of good points there SRU. I agree, officials probably have a good idea of the culprits and are not saying. And I gather they also know if they are dealing with something outside of the catalog, and call that "unidentified" then accept that a mildly knowledgeable person will think them incompetent for inability to assess from tell-tale signs. I got this shot on a trail cam out in the front woods, most likely from multiple coyote swipes/grabs, giving it the width. Using its tail as a gauge and guessing it is 3-3.5" wide, the claw marks might also indicate a bear swipe. Probably wouldn't be here if it was a dogman. I live in characteristic habitat though....
Four claws with the left most being at distance from the three other claw marks/scars totally within reason that one claw on a bear might not have made contact. Do you have mountain lions where you are? I dunno but the separation between the left most claw/scar struck me as a dew claw and perhaps one claw didn't get purchase but punctured there are several scars without the lacerations, usually the lacerations are pretty uniform (odd) either way that deer is lucky. Off topic but I despise'breed' legislation. The US society is full of too many letigious whipped men so now and even police dogs are getting scrutinized everytime they bite a criminial. It's messed up that this society is so gullible that 'pitbulls' take the blame for an attack. If the woman owned miniature poodles they would have had to be scrambling for some other BS story. Kiyona I agree I have worked with many animals and many dogs all different breeds and sizes responsibility and knowledge/training can't be legislated just like common sense. I think I know that if I am grinding and seeing sparks probably a good idea to have on the safety mcglasses and wear gloves, I don't need the nanny state to tell me much. I have several dogs which are larger (bandogges) and one boston terrier the bigger dogs I rarely worry about the little dog pfft only one dog in 20+ years of working with animals to bite me (only other bite was a house cat breaking up a fight) just because someone was knocking on the door. Thick jacket on sure didn't help, took 6 months of work but he is welcomed in our local bank and hospital. Owners are responsible but for some reason people don't want to accept said responsibility, this is also something I feel strongly on.
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Post by somerandomuser on Jan 30, 2021 4:14:22 GMT
I thought I'd add the following stories just to show it is common and some oddities www.stwnewspress.com/news/local_news/stillwater-girl-recovering-from-animal-attack/article_85e47560-a13d-563e-8862-27a6f0334c7f.html(The child is alright and survived only reason I share it) An average 8 year old American girl is 50 inches denote the "shoulder" was attacked, and "lacerations" to the chest that doesn't jive how many canines use claws? Not many if any and to be bone deep come on had I heard of bites to the legs or multiple bites I would have believed canine. This story just doesn't jive with me and no follow up. Were there traps put up or perhaps a few coyotes were thinned down? Instead a big nothing. There was an attack in Nm back in 2008 a 5 year old was attacked by a "stocky brown " creature, he didn't make it. (Google Unknown Animal Attacks NM Boy Cryptomundo still has it although local news in Nm has a 404 error). Once again zero follow up. It's that lack of follow up that really makes me wonder what is going on? These unknown attacks happen in several states, if there is something out of the ordinary tell the public, make them aware and thus more cautious.
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 2, 2021 3:31:46 GMT
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Post by Kiyona on Feb 2, 2021 6:40:20 GMT
This animal looks to me like something that would eat ants or grubs, it has front feet that remind me of a badger or wolverine. Indoensia has many rain forests and 'undiscovered' critters would not be a surprise.
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 2, 2021 18:25:54 GMT
Guggle alert is a good idea. I think there is definitely something fishy going on with those reports. Thanks for the links.
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 2, 2021 21:20:10 GMT
This animal looks to me like something that would eat ants or grubs, it has front feet that remind me of a badger or wolverine. Indoensia has many rain forests and 'undiscovered' critters would not be a surprise. I agree definitely looks like it's a digger. If anyone is interested in making their own Google Alerts if news stories or whatever (personally I make an alert if anyone searches my infosec handles or real name to give myself a heads up that someone is looking for me for an unknown reason I will include the following help page from Google. (Yes I maybe a bit paranoid) support.google.com/websearch/answer/4815696?hl=ensupport.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en (further refine searches) I think personally that there are many unknown animals running about not just in the oceans as scientists like to point to but also on land. BTW new whale discovered ( www.ecowatch.com/endangered-whale-species-mexico-2650251027.html?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1 ) on Feb 2 2021. After making the Google Alert I ran into a 2015 story from Michigan about a horse being killed after a single bite to the leg which caused the horse to bleed to death: www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/06/01/horse-attacked-animal-sanilac/28332665/Current Alert Search: "unknown" AND OR "unidentified" AND OR "newly discovered" animal -virus -pathogen For the "sources" I have news, blog, discussion (I figure that local or niche forums eg gun forums often we have meetups for certain states so news might come up; as for videos I'd just end up on YT looking at probably blobs but I can make another alert just for videos) Updates: NC Teacher attacked by Unknown animal www.thewashingtondailynews.com/2020/12/11/new-clues-emerge-in-brenda-hamiltons-death-investigation/ (Read First: Appears they are sure it's canid not sure if that is because dogs were nearby so an easy slam dunk case with less resources being used) www.thewashingtondailynews.com/2020/07/09/animal-attack-evidence-lands-at-florida-forensics-facility/ (Read Second: Same victim now they are saying that injuries were significant everything from coyote to wolf to bear and big cat. Maybe I am reading into it but I am guessing there are lacerations possibly the reason that bear and big cat are included to cover what could lacerate with claws and still have everyone suspect a canid. This is the only unknown animal attack getting some kind of attention, the rest are getting nothing. )
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 12, 2021 5:34:11 GMT
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