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Post by jessz on Sept 12, 2018 22:33:20 GMT
I have to agree with you guys in that I don't believe that Dogmen are good or bad... they simply are being who they are both on a species level and an individual level just like humans. Most humans probably associate them with evil because 1. They didn't know that they existed and associate them with werewolves 2. Dogmen are massive and humans are quite small and weak in comparison and 3. we are looking at an apex predator which is quite possibly the greatest hunter to have lived on Earth since the dinosaurs. Also the frequency thing, I'm not an engineer (yet) nor a quantum scientist but I have been studying a bit about these things and I do agree that every living thing has a frequency and vibration. As for communicating with them, I think geometry would be an interesting take. We have heard accounts on how they sometimes make gifts for people by making geometric items out sticks and then tied together with yarn and stuff. However, I was thinking about another form of communication. On a few different accounts I heard that they actually appreciate music. One guy used to go out into the forest and play his guitar for them and they would listen in the trees nearby. My friend who claims he had numerous experiences in Colorado with them also stated that they enjoy our music and singing voices. I've never heard of the witnesses saying they heard the dogmen actually speak like a human does but if they are capable that is pretty incredible. Honestly I was thinking about sign language. I think they are very capable with their hands in a human way and I believe sign language would be an awesome form of communication between the two species. However that would actually require contact and actual communication on another level prior to that or at least 2 willing participants of both species willing to basically sit down and develop sign language skills together... which as we know is probably not going to happen. Now as for the people killed, does anyone know how often this happens? Do Dogmen go out and frequently seek humans as a food source? Or do people usually get killed because they injured or threatened a Dogman in some form? Hiya! This is a really interesting idea. (Sign language) I have had contact with people who claim to have these creatures on their property. I have no way to verify at the moment. At the very least, and based on hear say, they seem to understand our intent. Sign language could be a possibility. I am collecting a ton of stories and pulling them apart for quantifiable data points. This takes a REALLY long time, but from they reports of living people these creatures do not often attack unless provoked. This is from only 1/3 of my data so far. That may change. I have no way of knowing how often people are killed by them, dead folk don’t talk.
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Post by kaipo on Sept 13, 2018 5:36:44 GMT
Jessz, I would have to completely agree with you on that. I've been studying these beings for quite a few years now and even have my own encounter (though I'm not 100% certain it was a Dogman because of what happened). From all the reports I've read, rarely do Dogmen actually attack people. From what I've seen 99% of the aggressive and bad encounters with Dogmen always end up with the Dogman or Dogmen scaring the individual as much as they can and often projecting fear into the person. But then that's often it. They usually leave at that point after making it very clear that they exist and they don't want that person there. Sometimes they do give chase to people but from what I've read on how fast and strong they are, there is no reason the Dogman didn't catch the people and rip them to shreds in a majority of those cases unless that was not his/her intention to begin with. Honestly the way I feel about it is they are not only territorial, but when they enjoy their privacy and don't really like humans bothering them all that much. They aren't afraid of us, but they aren't privy toward people just wandering into their homes and trying to video tape them while they are sleeping or hunting. I read one account on Dogman Encounters where a lady went to investigate an actual living area of a tribe of Dogmen. They found sticks that formed structures, bedding made out of grass, and other things. But the Dogmen were no where to be seen. Well after that the Dogmen went into the house of the person who took her to their territory to begin with and took the camera. They then scared the heck out of them later. I thought about it and I was like "yeah that makes sense... they walked right into their house uninvited so of course the Dogmen are going to walk right into their home uninvited too." The way they investigated the Dogmens' territory was actually quite invasive and we wouldn't do that to any tribe of humans... and they are just like people in a lot of ways especially in intelligence. I think sign language would work VERY well with communication between humans and Dogmen. The only problem is that it would require a peaceful first contact to begin with, another form of non-verbal basic communication and a willingness to learn from each other to develop an actual way to communicate. However I've read reports that the Dogmen are capable of telepathy. I don't know if this is just woo or not but it is something to consider considering I've heard it so many times from witnesses and if that is the case then that puts the entire concept of needing sign language and all of that to moot. I'm not sure what to think of the telepathy thing, but I can't throw it out of the door simply because there are so many accounts of it and so I can't really logically say ALL of them are lying or hallucinating.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Sept 21, 2018 23:40:25 GMT
However I've read reports that the Dogmen are capable of telepathy. I don't know if this is just woo or not but it is something to consider considering I've heard it so many times from witnesses and if that is the case then that puts the entire concept of needing sign language and all of that to moot. I'm not sure what to think of the telepathy thing, but I can't throw it out of the door simply because there are so many accounts of it and so I can't really logically say ALL of them are lying or hallucinating. As cool as it would be to have telepathic conversations this Dogmen, I really doubt that's the case. I think that we as humans are fully capable of communicated without speech or sign language. There are many stories from prehistory of humans being able to do this. It's not telepathy but more like communicating through energy, vibrations or reading a person's aura. I think that our genetics, never forgot this and that's how some can understand these creatures as if they are speaking in our minds. It's our internal voice that is translating these vibrations and intensions into words for us to understand. I don't think Dogmen have any powers or are supernatural in any way. I think they are 100% flesh and blood. But I also think that they are fully connected to nature on a level that we humans no longer have and could easily be mistaken for as magic.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Sept 23, 2018 0:23:34 GMT
This might sound weird but I think this video goes along well with communication between speicies. There was an understanding in the eye contact. Plus, doing something like peeing on a tree is a form of communication to the canines, right? Either way, this story really gave me the chills. youtu.be/MOBbKww_sMY
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Post by kaipo on Sept 24, 2018 5:37:46 GMT
This might sound weird but I think this video goes along well with communication between speicies. There was an understanding in the eye contact. Plus, doing something like peeing on a tree is a form of communication to the canines, right? Either way, this story really gave me the chills. youtu.be/MOBbKww_sMYReally cool video. They are canine so scents are likely a form of communication with them as with any other canine out there. Not sure what was likely going through the Dogman's head at that moment, but they very well know they could kill us in a heartbeat but 99.99% of the time choose not to harm us. I think they rarely ever hunt humans just like how humans rarely eat carnivorous species because the meat doesn't taste as good as herbivores do when it comes to mammals. That and they may recognize our intelligence as well and choose not to attack us most of the time based on that alone. I can't rule out telepathic communication entirely just because of how often people talk about the concept, but I do think you are on to something with them being able to communicate via "energy or aura" in the sense that they are far more connected to nature and can give off impressions and feelings a lot better than people can. I still think sign language would work amazing between a human and a dogman if two of them were ever given the opportunity to befriend each other but I think that is very hard to do... but not impossible. My favorite story about a Dogman was actually by a man who got the opportunity to raise a Dogman pup named Stripes until he reached adulthood. I really wish I could contact this man myself as I would have a million and one questions to ask him regarding their behavior and intelligence and even facial expressions. But so far he's the only encounter I know of where a human was actually able to befriend a Dogman. It's sad how many people in Stripes's life felt he was a demon or was evil and wanted nothing to do with the guy. From what I've gathered of Stripes so far, he has never attempted to harm a human during his entire lifespan (he is likely dead now due to old age at around 55 to 60 years old). www.youtube.com/watch?v=USX3mss2f9k&t=2s
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Post by kaipo on Oct 1, 2018 13:08:58 GMT
Yeah that is a pretty freaky scenario. Fortunately the kid wasn't hurt and the Dogman simply made eye contact and then left. Not sure what he was thinking but maybe it was "wrong area to pee... this is my territory, not your's." However, out of all the Dogman stories I've seen and heard, there is one that for some reason gives me shivers. When it comes to communication, I've never seen a more message by a Dogman done more clearly that he is pissed and is threatening to kill the dude. Even worse, I don't even know what the guy did wrong that would have provoked the Dogman to get that angry at a person. Skip to about 2 minutes into the video cause the intro is just WAY too long. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uLA8ajsw20
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Post by kaipo on Oct 5, 2018 6:56:35 GMT
Has anyone created a map showing regions based on aggressive behavior versus non-aggressive encounters? If my hypothesis is correct, some regions of Dogmen will have higher levels of aggression in the encounters and thus more danger than other areas. I believe this is cultural depending on tribal conditions as well as individual. For instance, the Land Between the Lakes would definitely be a danger zone because of the stories that have come from that region as well as the unconfirmed deaths of humans. I believe a map like this would help researchers and investigators be able to determine the level of danger they would be encountering from the local upright canines. There are enough encounters where I think a map can start getting made. For instance, the Dogmen that were in Stripes' tribe would probably be a low level *colored green?* Because he and the Dogmen he raised have always been relatively kind to humans. This would also be dire to a venture in which we actually desire to try and develop some kind of contact with the creatures. I don't know about you guys... but I would rather try to establish contact with a tribe of Dogmen or a Dogman from a region with less aggressive behavior than say Dogmen that are known to eat humans.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 15, 2018 21:33:14 GMT
So I think for a first encounter basis, I'm going to get some art created of dogmen interacting with humans. The pictures need to be large enough for them to see at a short distance. I'm not sure if they can see color so I may not bother with that. Basically I want to have a slide of images that show friendly interaction between a generic human and a generic dogman. I think they can recognize themselves quite easily in pictures. It may not be the best form of communication but I think it will help. I think another first encounter method could be to have a weapon out on display and make sure they see you and see that weapon. I think this would be quite easy to understand. Point to them, point to your eyes and then point at the weapon and then slowly put the weapon down, making sure they are watching. Then again point at the weapon and hold the palms open to display that there is nothing there for intention to harm. Of course, I don't think I would do this unless I had friends with me who were also armed... as that would be quite stupid. But I'm sure they can understand that kind of language because of how one of the interacted with a man in Louisiana. The Dogman chased him and tore of a piece of his clothing. The next morning he found a deer's head in his work truck with the torn piece of clothing in its mouth... I think the message was EXTREMELY clear. So they understand messages and symbolism.
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Post by Jordan on Oct 31, 2018 22:09:52 GMT
I'm confident that anyone suggesting communicating with these abominations has never had an encounter. The only way I can equate it would be having a demonic encounter and then trying to instigate communication. In my opinion it is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard as a dogman witness.
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Post by Gray Wolf on Feb 9, 2019 13:13:33 GMT
fenris : !! That's not just a mouthful, it's a mindfull. A lot of very interesting things in there to research and think about. It might be a little off topic (but not really), but certainly of a lot of valuable food for thought, imho. Thank you.That portal in the rock you referenced has long been a fascination to me. Here's another: ancient-code.com/mysterious-sealed-door-ancient-padmanabhaswamy-temple/Some sites I found interesting. My faith is Christian by choice, but I have an open-minded view of 'how' this universe works, what the physical energetic nature of it actually is. There may be whole or partial truths in some of the articles, some things they have observed and discerned how those things work, or seem to work. Interesting observations any way. www.montalk.netwww.soul-healer.com/ ( ) I have never read a more verbose writer, but the simulation stuff is interesting, and so is his information on disappearing objects. in2worlds.net/www.religiousdemonology.comwww.fortea.us Ah yes...I have heard about that place, and I am at a loss about that door way as well. It makes me wonder if somehow the state of consciousness is somehow the key to opening it. When I talk about this at my university, I become the joke of the campus, especially to people who claim to be atheists which is perplexing to me really. When people laugh at me talking about consciousness, I ask them, what is by definition sentients? Are you intelligent? Are you self-aware? If you say yes to all of this, then are you conscious? If you say yes to that, then what is it? Then they go off telling me that consciousness is the act of being alive. Unfortunately, thats not a good enough answer to me. I would tell them, that by saying consciousness is the act of being alive is like saying fire is what gives you heat and light. No, fire is a chemical reaction and as a result of that reaction, thermal energy (aka molecular vibration) and light are given off as a result to that action. So I would ask them again, what is consciousness? Then you get the deer in the head light look from them, as if they are at a loss at mentally computing that logical statement. Oddly enough I don't think consciousness has to necessarily do with believing in a God or not, well I guess it could be, you can still raise the state of consciousness and not look to a higher power to do it. I think that somehow we think it has to be some magical process, and it really doesn't. This is what I learned, your mind has the ability to change the motion of a single photon. This is proven and it is measurable by our technology, time and time again. So, by monitoring how that photon moves can be fed into a computer system, and that system can be used to switch on or off, or control in someway other machines depending on its programming. This is by definition consciousness controlled technology. It also demonstrates that we are in more control of our realities then we all give ourselves or professionals credit for. This even has an effect on the electrical magnetic fields our bodies give off, theres even research supporting the facts that our emotional states of all 8 billion people on the planet have an effect on the earths magnetic field. I also wanted to add after editing, look at the unidentified aerial phenomenon with some closer detail. I find it odd that you read about cases, objects or even glowing of light hovering over nuclear ICBM's being interfered with by objects. That these things have the ability to shut off and disrupt all the control systems of defensive weapons. A really good case of this is the RAF Bentwaters incident in 1980. This also makes me wonder if there is a possibility of consciousness interfering or even destroying electronic circuitry. Or if even consciousness can be used to trigger portal locations in the earths atmosphere. I will post this again encase it was missed in my last post about "electromagnetic x-points" in the earths atmosphere (see never a striate answer for details www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html and see the movie) Next thing we have to look at are the effects of quantum entanglement and quantum computing. When we look at quantum computing, what is actually happening to get the information of a single q bit? Well the theory goes, all decisions that you have made, will make and are going to make are all done already. We can call this peering into a quantum mirror, which have infinite geometric possibilities. Now how some quantum processors are suppose to work is by literally poking a hole into that fabric of another decision making process of that mirror effect, and taking the information back to the base computing reality and process what that electrical information has been gathered. Electrons have that ability to work around these different dimensional sates somehow, it is not a process what looks like we fully understand. So on that note, with all the electrical activity that takes place in our bodies, does that mean there is proof that we can peer into different relative sates? I don't know, but what I do know is, there are quantum computer processes that are designed to simulate the neuron effects of the brain. If we look at the process of remote viewing, look at project Stargate for instance, we do know there is an electrical component to this. We do know that its more difficult to remote view where there is currently a thunder or lightning storm taking place in that area. Next we look at entanglement more closely. When you take a photon, split that photon in half you will notice that the motion of one half matches the motion of the other half. It also doesn't matter how much distance there is between the particles, the motion takes place at the same rate without latency. This is again, a proven process, in fact we can even look at this as a communication tool. Half photon being at the origin as a binary zero, movement to another location being a binary one, or different relative positions for including q-bits of both or neither. That would be no need for cell phones anymore, and no more microwave communication devices giving us cancer, no more disappearance of bees, list goes on and on when you take away the electromagnetic pollution. By understanding these concepts, we really have to look at are we in a simulation more closely regardless of whatever our beliefs are. If we don't, that holds back our technological development, and just because it is highly probable that this is not base reality, doesn't mean you have to give up on your spiritual or religious beliefs. I can envision there being some adjustments here and there probably, but should this shatter peoples religious beliefs? No. The universe is geometric, holographic, and electroplasmic so on that note we have to be open to the note of what is unexpected. Now lets go back to the dogman...when I look at Adam's post in this thread about telepathic communication for instance. Being armed with this information makes me think, wait a minute, perhaps there might be something here to look at more closely. I mentioned before we are immersed in a soup of frequency, sound, light, electric, and quantum particle oscillation. Our minds have an effect on a single particle of light, remote viewing has electrical characteristics, there is more to the state of consciousness then what appears are biology can fully comprehend. So on that note, perhaps there is more to this then we give it credit for. We can communicate with our pets, cats and dogs, maybe there is more going on here then we realize, even just with our pets. Ok, sure we can't teach them calculus math, there state of self-awareness isn't high even to comprehend what we comprehend. When I look at the bigger picture of communication, I got to ask, what kind of communication can we do? Are we even asking the right questions in the first place? Do we even need to make adjustments of what we human beings consider a sentient life form is? I mentioned before, I don't think that these dogman are really evil or demonic. I think they are low vibration, a state of frequency that is difficult for us to process. Yes I think there are ghosts and stuff, I like to call them a extra dimensional being, and there are good ones (which I associate with higher vibratory states) and bad ones (which I consider to be a low vibratory sate). Also, like anything in the universe, some can even feed off of you. Its just energy, energy that makes electrons flow, energy that gives you heat/light, energy is energy. 1000 Joule's of energy is 1000 Joule's of energy that can be converted to any form, and the universe is a constant flow of that stuff. It is up to use to work with it, form it, channel it, convert it into what ever application we need. We are in control of where it goes into us or comes out of us, or applications Didn't expect this community to be going this far in the right direction! I think you guys have some really good members here and with them some really good potential for uncovering something big eventually!
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Post by ruby71174 on Apr 19, 2019 0:10:54 GMT
that one pic with "doorway" in rock- to me looks like it was mud that slid and was laying alongside something and this is an impression it left.
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Post by ruby71174 on Apr 19, 2019 0:34:14 GMT
as far as communication, from what I hear they have very long fingers and claws- and I think there would have to be steps of communication before we could get close enough for sign language. I didn't know the music thing- that is awesome. what about one of those old cassette players with a recording on a tape? or leave several things as options.?? I listened to story where they peed on someones house to mark their territory like a dog, but the smiling and restraint suggest possibly more intelligence?? but then why are they unable to just open up doors to get into houses? they will throw rocks at people and houses and peek in. tap on doors and walls. but they don't try to go through the window into the house. which im sure would be easy for them.
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Post by Con on Apr 22, 2019 23:32:41 GMT
It's like people say that something might be holding them back. Some people take this to mean that they're demons or jinn, and are being held back by God, others that there's some other cosmic force holding them back.
Personally, I think that there might be some kind of social thing stopping them from going so far as to hurt people (which I mentioned in another thread) kind of like a law (assuming sapience on their end), which might make some sense. Also the fact that we have Apache gunships, Special Forces and probably a myriad of secret agencies and units tasked with keeping these things (and no doubt others) in check.
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Post by ISK8pdFrmaLab on May 20, 2019 9:43:15 GMT
We do not know what they are, how they exist, or what they want, let alone any kind of science behind them, if there even IS any.
Trying to communicate with them seems like an excellent way to follow Tim Treadwell into the land of human lunch.
I will not be trying to speak with these things. Maybe, and that is a huge maybe, I will play a little Bob Marley and see if this has any mellowing effect, but otherwise I can only speak for myself when I say that these creatures are bad news and should be left alone, avoided or otherwise kept at long range.
Hopefully behind a large bore Magnum round. Or ten.
If you are that rare individual heeding the better side and simply must attempt to reason with these things, good on ya mate.
I on the other hand fall flatly in uneducated heathen turf, and will happily view these critters the same way I look at Ebola, cannibal midgets with guns, or politicians. You can talk to them. I will watch.
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Post by ag47 on May 21, 2019 2:29:42 GMT
I agree.
..and the cannibal midgets with or without guns, they frighten me. Comedian Flip Wilson (long time ago) said he had a friend that got into a fight with a midget and lost. He said the midget bit 'im. Then he said, "...a midget's only about this tall..."
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