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Post by Con on Aug 24, 2019 15:35:02 GMT
If they're sapient, just bring them beer! I'm sure they'd like beer, that'd be a good way to break the ice. Maybe bring an extra 30 or so cans though, might take them a while to get tipsy.
Now I'm wondering what a drunk dogman would look like...
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Post by kaipo on Aug 24, 2019 23:25:01 GMT
I'd be willing to raise pretty much any other animal on the NA continent except bears, wolves, or coyotes. It really comes down to what happens when they grow up and start coming up to folks back porches for handouts, or whatever other consequences of being desensitized to humans they might run into. There are places bears get killed just for poking around a campsite, wolves and coyotes get killed for practically no reason all over. No way in hell I'm teaching a bear how to forage like a bear or teaching a wolf how to hunt like a wolf, it's totally beyond my capabilities, so I'd really only be creating a misunderstood creature with no reliable way to sustain itself. I can't provide what their lifestyle needs for more than a week of my normal life. It would have to be a certain catch-22 for me to meddle with these things with any constructive goal, though I do think they can be elevated socially and intellectually. I wouldn't drown a bag of dogman puppies but if they have to depend on me for very long they'd be pretty much screwed anyway. I'd probably move to Alaska and just do my best to raise them in the wild, which would be cool and all but not really my thing just how I'd see the obligation being at all manageable. I've always wanted a badger. I think a rescued hand-raised badger would be a fun buddy and a useful homestead enforcer. Honestly, if I found a distressed pup in the forest or injured one, I would try and help it. I would do the same for a bear or any other creature (of course with wild animals I would first seek help from actual professionals if I could). But as for raising a dogman or even just helping it grow up without its parents or other dogmen to do so, that would be incredibly difficult. However I've heard stories of people doing that in the past. I think it would 100% depend on that person's lifestyle. Like I said, I wouldn't think twice about trying to help... but I would have to ask if it's feasible for me to raise on considering my circumstances. I live in suburb next to a city and will be moving in a few years to a very large city, likely in a skyscraper. A city is no place for a dogman pup and I know for a fact that the pup wouldn't get the things it needs to survive and learn in an apartment in the middle of a human city. They need forests, grasslands and lakes with rivers to be happy and that's what they deserve. I couldn't provide a good life for a dogman pup. But that's me. The most popular story I've heard of someone rescuing a dogman pup involved people that lived in the Texas woods. They had ample land, a shed to let him live in, a forest nearby... basically everything a dogman and even a pack would need to survive just fine. If someone lives in the rural regions of the US and live near where they found the pup, there is the possibility they could help raise the pup to at least be able to fend for itself out in the wild based on instinct if they kept that pup relatively close to area where it was found to begin with. It's kind of like raising other wild animals that have been abandoned and releasing them into the wild when they are adults. A majority of the time they can be rehabilitated to learning what they need in order to survive in the wild. If I had those kinds of resources I wouldn't think twice about bringing an injured pup into my home and raising him/her to the best of my ability (though my couches and other furniture would probably hate me in the end considering canines love to chew on things). All in all this would at least provide an opportunity for a lifetime friendship between two members of different species even if it doesn't amount to much more than saving the pup's life so that it can continue on its merry way of growing up in the woods without help. But yeah, I wouldn't hesitate to take one in and if I couldn't provide for him or her I would find someone that could.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 16, 2019 23:06:17 GMT
- Consider some really low tech options. I have heard that they can see infer red beams coming from cameras, I guess used for motion or auto focus. Maybe using cameras without auto focus or like was said earlier a pressure release switch for the camera, so no electronics are used is a great idea. Also we must realize how great a wolfs sense of smell is, I was shocked while watching a show on how much effort this professional trapper would go through to keep his sent off of traps he set, and there was much, much more work done for the traps set up for wolves. I think I remember he would boil the traps in water, and put a wax treatment on them. All traps were hidden with vegetation or snow, so I would think a trail camera would also need to be hidden, and maybe be place very high in a tree like 25-30 feet up, but how are you going to remove your smell from a camera, and how are you going to not touch the tree that you set it in or treat your ladder or let your ladder touch the tree? We must also think of our boots, they can also leave our sent on the ground and pants our clothing , and our hands if used to push away vegetation, if coming in contact with any twigs or vegetation which they most definitely will if we are walking in the woods. You can touch something and months later a wolf can smell you on that item. I think that most researchers are not true woodsmen or trappers. We must put ourselves into the mind set that if a wolf is this hard to trap then an enlarged wolf or BF with perhaps super natural abilities are going to be even harder to fool. Could there have been a lightning strike in the area of these fried cameras? Has this type of thing been reported on many occasions? Humm interesting. Sorry I am not a researcher like some of you in here and I really do not know.
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Post by Eoin on Oct 17, 2019 0:37:37 GMT
- Consider some really low tech options. I have heard that they can see infer red beams coming from cameras, I guess used for motion or auto focus. Maybe using cameras without auto focus or like was said earlier a pressure release switch for the camera, so no electronics are used is a great idea. Also we must realize how great a wolfs sense of smell is, I was shocked while watching a show on how much effort this professional trapper would go through to keep his sent off of traps he set, and there was much, much more work done for the traps set up for wolves. I think I remember he would boil the traps in water, and put a wax treatment on them. All traps were hidden with vegetation or snow, so I would think a trail camera would also need to be hidden, and maybe be place very high in a tree like 25-30 feet up, but how are you going to remove your smell from a camera, and how are you going to not touch the tree that you set it in or treat your ladder or let your ladder touch the tree? We must also think of our boots, they can also leave our sent on the ground and pants our clothing , and our hands if used to push away vegetation, if coming in contact with any twigs or vegetation which they most definitely will if we are walking in the woods. You can touch something and months later a wolf can smell you on that item. I think that most researchers are not true woodsmen or trappers. We must put ourselves into the mind set that if a wolf is this hard to trap then an enlarged wolf or BF with perhaps super natural abilities are going to be even harder to fool. Could there have been a lightning strike in the area of these fried cameras? Has this type of thing been reported on many occasions? Humm interesting. Sorry I am not a researcher like some of you in here and I really do not know. There’s no real means of blocking ones’ scent. We also need to remember these are not wolves or anything quantifiably understood. They are nothing like anything we have any true viable data regarding. The field needs an all source information system that matches aspects of each investigation of each sighting/interaction.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 17, 2019 4:10:44 GMT
Yes Eoin, that is very true, but being wolf savvy is a good start, if we are going to get some photos we at least need to know how to catch or photograph wolfs. With my encounter which I know was not a normal animal, was in pitch black dark and I was in my tree stand for about 15 or 20 minutes when it tracked me into the woods right up to my stand. I never realized it until the other day when I told my brother about it and he asked me if it came into the woods at the same location that I did, and that is when I realized that it even made a half circle just the way I did when I came up to the stand, so not only did it have a great ability to track me with its smell it also had almost perfect night vision, which makes me believe that it is nocturnal.
I think that all animals or creatures that hang out in the woods have incredible sense of smell, especially if they have those long noses. My little wiener dog has a long nose and that little rascal can smell a single grain of steamed rice all the way across the room.
I am looking for a royalty free wilderness video so I can put my encounter on YouTube and use the video as something entertaining for people to look at while I talk, but I don't want to put my face on the video, or they will probably send people out with strait jackets to find me. Haha
I will put a link on the video with this site on it if you would like?
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 17, 2019 5:37:12 GMT
99% of the aggressive and bad encounters with Dogmen always end up with the Dogman or Dogmen scaring the individual as much as they can and often projecting fear into the person. But then that's often it. They usually leave at that point after making it very clear that they exist and they don't want that person there. Yes I believe that they enjoy projecting fear into people, and are telepathic, and if we want to talk to them we can telepathically, I think that everyone has this ability if they concentrate hard enough but we really do not want to, because of the amount of fear that will be projected into you. I believe they are demonically possessed. Sorry if this take the romantic vision that some may have about this creature away from them, I also would love to think that BF and DM are flesh and blood creatures, so I could go out into the woods and kill one. I do think they take on a flesh and blood body, I do not know for how long or how any of this works. If you read about Djinn they say that God gave them the ability to come into our dimension and take on a flesh and blood body for for a short period of time and then have to return. Just hope you are a young person if you do talk to one telepathically because if you are an older person you will probably die from a heart attack. I heard someone say they read in the Bible that in the end days beast will project so much fear into people that they will die of fear. Doesn't 411 mention that some of the cases where the people found had died of fear or at least that is the best the coroner can come up with because in many cases they don't know what they died from? The Nephilim Among us, is a good book, by Scott Carpenter. It has the proof of DNA, he also did research with David Paulides, but never said that David follows this theory or not. Ohh I think DM and BF could be the same creature. I do not recommend for anyone trying to talk to one of these things, especially if you, have any doubt that you have God with you in this encounter. God bless all of you.
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Post by Eoin on Oct 18, 2019 16:31:42 GMT
Yes Eoin, that is very true, but being wolf savvy is a good start, if we are going to get some photos we at least need to know how to catch or photograph wolfs. With my encounter which I know was not a normal animal, was in pitch black dark and I was in my tree stand for about 15 or 20 minutes when it tracked me into the woods right up to my stand. I never realized it until the other day when I told my brother about it and he asked me if it came into the woods at the same location that I did, and that is when I realized that it even made a half circle just the way I did when I came up to the stand, so not only did it have a great ability to track me with its smell it also had almost perfect night vision, which makes me believe that it is nocturnal. I think that all animals or creatures that hang out in the woods have incredible sense of smell, especially if they have those long noses. My little wiener dog has a long nose and that little rascal can smell a single grain of steamed rice all the way across the room. I am looking for a royalty free wilderness video so I can put my encounter on YouTube and use the video as something entertaining for people to look at while I talk, but I don't want to put my face on the video, or they will probably send people out with strait jackets to find me. Haha I will put a link on the video with this site on it if you would like? I believe being zoological savvy is a must if one is delving into Cryptozoology. From the standpoint of a wolf each nostril works independently allowing multiple scents to be tracked at the same time. The wolf has approximately 280 million scent receptors, Your dog has around 125 million and we humans’ only five to six million. I’ve found various studies, but most agree that a wolf can track from 1.5 to 1.75 mile away. Based on one’s own Dogman theory’s (and we all have them) they could be Preternatural, thus their senses could be millions of times keener that that of a wolf. Whether flesh or spirit, they are formidable on many levels.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 19, 2019 1:05:47 GMT
I find it very surprising to learn how strong a wolfs nose is, I think it truly gives them a huge advantage in the woods. I am not much of a deer hunter but used to creep wild geese, and we always had to be down wind from them or you could forget it, we could only try to creep up on them if there was a ditch close to where they where, and it always amazed me that I knew they could not see me but would always walked away from us as we walked towards them always knowing exactly how far our shotguns could reach out, when we stopped walking they stopped when we walked a little closer they walked a little farther away from us.
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Post by Eoin on Oct 19, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
I find it very surprising to learn how strong a wolfs nose is, I think it truly gives them a huge advantage in the woods. I am not much of a deer hunter but used to creep wild geese, and we always had to be down wind from them or you could forget it, we could only try to creep up on them if there was a ditch close to where they where, and it always amazed me that I knew they could not see me but would always walked away from us as we walked towards them always knowing exactly how far our shotguns could reach out, when we stopped walking they stopped when we walked a little closer they walked a little farther away from us. In the wild, humans are not Apex without weapons, and then we’re still blind when compared to nature!
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Post by DogFlabber on Nov 17, 2019 2:54:58 GMT
I am by no means saying that higher communication makes them warm and cuddly! I believe that a lot of the missing 411 accounts are from creatures like Dogmen. I just think that they can be intelligent enough to communicate more than what oth animals do. Which makes them far more terrifying. I have no desire to be dog chow! 🙅♀️ Yes Phantom, I agree with you, they are telepathic, I also believe that when you hear sounds in the woods, it is not them communicating with them selves it is them sending signals to us. Some say that BF knocks on the trees to hunt and scare the deer, I don't buy into that belief, if they want to scare something all they have to do is let out one of their screams, or bark like a dog or howl like a wolf. They don't have a problem in the department of scaring things.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Jan 7, 2020 17:32:12 GMT
I am by no means saying that higher communication makes them warm and cuddly! I believe that a lot of the missing 411 accounts are from creatures like Dogmen. I just think that they can be intelligent enough to communicate more than what oth animals do. Which makes them far more terrifying. I have no desire to be dog chow! 🙅♀️ Yes Phantom, I agree with you, they are telepathic, I also believe that when you hear sounds in the woods, it is not them communicating with them selves it is them sending signals to us. Some say that BF knocks on the trees to hunt and scare the deer, I don't buy into that belief, if they want to scare something all they have to do is let out one of their screams, or bark like a dog or howl like a wolf. They don't have a problem in the department of scaring things. I think the knocks are them just saying, “Hey, this is my property and I’m kindly asking you to leave.” They don’t want to seem aggressive but they do want their turf to be acknowledged and respected. I can imagine many primates doing the same thing. I’m a firm believer that Dogmen have the ability to speak telepathically but I don’t think it’s a supernatural ability. I might have mentioned this before, but I think humans used to be able to do it naturally. We just forgot since we speak with our mouths. I can by no means read minds, but I am sensitive to people’s emotions and energy and can read a person in a way. Some ppl are just sensitive enough to those energies, they can put words to them or pictures.
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 10, 2020 6:20:11 GMT
You make a good point, I also believe that they knock to let us know they are there, they definitely know we are there. On 3 occasions now when leaving the wood line at night, I have heard wood knocks, once only about 25 feet from me, but never hear it when deep in the woods, only when I have made it to the edge of the woods and am leaving. What message do you think they could be sending me with that?
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Post by damando on Jan 10, 2020 22:56:14 GMT
I heard a story of a brief encounter with a Sasquatch that a hunter had and he though but could not be sure that he had a telepathic message saying do not shoot cause it wont end well and he lifted his weapon and said out loud that he was ready for whatever came ...Then saw a second one further on and felt he received another message saying that if he shot they would eat him. He basically just left them alone. Then a few weeks go by and another hunter comes along and tells him he saw a standing bear look at him and say out loud Don't shoot and they both left walking opposite directions.
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Post by ag47 on Jan 10, 2020 23:21:59 GMT
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Post by DogFlabber on Jan 12, 2020 0:03:33 GMT
I really like this guy, he always seems to be very sincere, it seems like he is telling the truth about what he is saying.
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