Creepy dissappearance

He keeps any theories close to the vest. The 411 is very strange indeed!

I think The Missing 411 is probably about a few things. A lot are probably abductions, but I don't think there's any direct evidence of that one way or another— or even to say human or otherwise (hence why the movie found those cases interesting), and some are people either walking into the woods to either test/explore their survival skills or to commit suicide. The movie covered the more curious cases, but statistically I believe a large portion of the cases at large are simply man not respecting the danger of the wilds. They walk a few meters off the "trail" and slip into fast moving water, off a ridge, get toppled by a rockslide, decide to deviate their plan to sleep in a known area, or simply walk through a hedge with the wind in their face and scare up a drunk momma bear. Some of the older fellas could've even been done in by quicksand muck, younger fellas too if they got in badly enough. There's a lot of mystery to it for sure, but I personally doubt that a large percentage of the disappearances are in reality very odd at all. They find a lot of folks who have seemingly removed their clothing which is usually a doubtless indication of severe hypothermia, as the body experiences a feeling of extreme overheating during the advanced stages of it and it's not uncommon to see people frozen to death who have disrobed for this reason. The movie trumps this up as extremely odd, but it's plain old bald-faced not at all.

Basically, and excuse my French but, shit happens. I've almost accidentally walked off an 800' tall cliff in the dark and I was very familiar with the trail and area, I knew it was there for sure, but damned if I didn't just about cook my own bacon all the same. I have been charged by a bear while gathering berries, had them sniff around camp and mess stuff up taking provisions, been stalked by bobcats, I've even been charged by a buck whitetail. All it takes is one animal having a bad day or empty stomach and one thing can start leading to the next until in short order you're eight miles up a bad creek (as the saying goes). These experienced outdoors people can get caught not giving the situation it's due dire respect very easily. There is no such thing as a survival expert, and I think it's pretty common for a lot of the more seasoned males of us to be full of ourselves until we get turned around and rained out for three days in a row— probably too proud to ask for help and with our buddies thinking it's a hassle to raise SAR before 24 hours had gone by. We'll spend a few hours dicking around and before you know it some hungry hungry land hippo is chasing us up a shale embankment and we're hollering like a six year old for our lives.

A lot of the dogs they use are either untrained or are trained as cadaver dogs, they're not always people finding dogs. They look for dead bodies or are general use tracker dogs. I don't think SAR even uses Bloodhounds anymore, but I know the US Marshalls do because they are trained to find specific living people. Unless a dog is well trained in tracking a specific person they usually, quite frankly, suck at finding a person at all. Bloodhounds and Bassets tend to be the best at this duty because of their noses, in Missing 411 all I saw was a gaggle of what looked like people's dogs they brought out to help in the search, but ultimately were more likely to be obstacles in the human scent finding endeavour. I'm not surprised they had many cases of dogs not being able to track all things considered.

Of course, the more interesting notion is that it's bigfoot or dogman or aliens. Sure, if I were an alien and looking for a human specimen I'd probably take a hunter. It's isolated and easy to do, morally they are out to kill and compete within the food chain so it's not really "bad" when a more highly evolved animal preys on them. Bigfoot kidnapping them seems kind of far fetched to me, maybe the children I could see it being a possibility, but not the adult males. Bigfoot or Dogman killing them I could believe is most plausible in the cases where a cryptid is involved, but I think this is a very small percentage of those who go missing if any at all. I think the largest portion of the Missing 411 is based on the fact that the woods is a spiritual place for a lot of people, and they go there to make peace and take their own life in a quiet and polite way. The second largest portion of Missing 411 cases are likely human kidnapping/murder. A close third would be a disregard for the natural dangers and group protocol. The smallest percentage could be cryptid related.

That's just my own opinion. I think Missing 411 is a good movie because it chose to focus on some anomalous cases in detail, but in doing so it founds the notion that all the statistics of missing people in the woods are just as curious when such is not so. The Sierra Camp report was fascinating, but it's the only compelling case with any "paranormal" quantity to it and nothing related to that falls within the scope of missing person statistics. I'd like to see a Missing 411 sequel which is a bit more antiseptic in approach while still considering every explanation possible, instead of obliquely insinuating that it was something "unnatural" at work. Punctuating the movie with the Sierra Camp accounts was a bit diversionary it seemed, if I had to pick out my largest qualm with the film. It's a good movie and I really enjoyed it, but what entertains me about it and what I find genuinely compelling are divided in my mind.

There's been a lot of odd cases I've read up about or watched on YouTube. There's definitely people who have been murdered or committed suicide (like that guy looking for the "M cave" who went totally missing, he turned out to be going through a rough patch and was apparently suicidal), but with the amount of people that go looking for the missing persons and don't find a trace of anything, sometimes it's just so strange. All the thermal imaging, groups combing the area, helicopters, trained professionals, it boggles the mind how someone can just vanish like that, especially here in the UK.

I was out running a couple of days ago in the local woodland park and I saw a guy sitting on a side trail just on the hill above the path. Not suspicious at all, but I kept him in the corner of my eye all the same and when I lost sight of him behind me, I still kept an eye over my shoulder. I think sometimes people get way too complacent out there, I know I was at one point, and that's when whatever or whoever is out there happens. Because of that, I like to keep an eye around me where I can run, and put as much bad terrain and bushes between me and whoever wants to do me harm.

I'm sure there's correlations in a few of those cases. Dogman would certainly be at the top of the foodchain, I'm sure there's a few who have gone after people. If those Gugwe exist, they're probably also responsible for a few as well. Both seem to be sneaky, dogman more so maybe, until they want to be seen. Plus dogman seem to have at least a modicum of sapience, so I'd imagine they know how to cover their tracks pretty well.

What creeps me out are the reports of Wendigo. There's so few but enough that they seem to have a general appearance (pale skin, creepy bendy joints, vicious demeanour etc) and yet there's almost no reports on them like there is dogman. They're either not real or they're incredibly aggressive and dangerous and kill most of the people that see them. They seem to be good climbers too, perhaps they're one of the reasons for people at the back of groups going missing? They just reach down and yank them up into the trees or something. I seriously hope they're not real.

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As you put it so well, I wouldn’t rule out “all” 411 cases, just as I’m sure some are due to lunatics waiting to pounce. On the other hand I, myself, believe the world to be much more odd than we humans imagine. New species are discovered each year and species that were considered extinct are found to be living happily outside mankind’s view. I suppose we keep an open mind and focus on “our” area of research and investigation.