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Post by kaipo on Sept 14, 2018 11:20:18 GMT
I just got done listening to the amazing and terrifying true story of Alicia Morgan. I feel for her as I can't imagine how terrifying that situation is to have it continue year after year. But this got me wondering as to why this species would do something like that? Alicia's story isn't the only example in which these beings stalk people around for years and harass them. Is there any evidence of other animal species doing something like this? I'm going to look more into this tomorrow but starting in canine species to see if other canines can hold similar behavior would help. The only animal I know that is capable of holding some kind of grudge like that though and continuously harassing another person for a period this long is a human. I can't really think of what would motivate a Dogman to do this especially since Alicia herself didn't actually do anything that would resemble hurting or endangering the Dogman or tribe in question. We really need behavioral studies of these creatures and I'm looking for legitimate explanations behind how a Dogman behaves. The only way to do this is comparing it to the behavior of other mammal species. I'm not a biologist so I'm going to talk to my friend who is an actual biologist and discuss with him to see if other animal species, specifically wolves and coyotes, are capable of holding this type of behavior... I'm hoping we can find something similar because if we can then we can find a potential answer as to WHY the Dogman is doing this and perhaps find a way to peacefully make it stop and help the people that this is happening to. If you wish to hear Alicia's story here is the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBRV2nhnBI
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Post by kaipo on Sept 18, 2018 6:41:18 GMT
So unfortunately I haven't been able to get a hold of my biologist friend to ask him these questions. What I really need is someone who specializes in canine behavior. However, after some research myself, I have found other mammal species stalking their prey and even stalking out of curiosity... however that stalking ends relatively quickly in comparison to Dogmen or humans. In fact the only species I can find that actually relates to Dogmen in the amount of time they would waste stalking someone are humans themselves. This is a bit disturbing. Humans stalk people for many reasons and usually it's never a good thing. However we can't exactly compare human morality to that of another species. I'm not referring to the instances in which Dogmen stalk people a short ways and then leave them alone after the person leaves their territory for those actions can be easily explained and are seen in other species; but, instead I'm referring to the times when the upright canines decide to obsess over a particular individual, family or household in which they decide to harass these people for months, sometimes years and seem to accomplish nothing. If they really wanted to kill these people they had ample opportunity to do so, sometimes for years. Instead they choose to harass and scare these people. The only thing I can think of is that either 1. They enjoy scaring people and they get something out of it... like some kind of joke. 2. They believe that house is in their territory and they want the people to leave by themselves but don't want to go so far as to actually remove the people themselves. 3. They are seeking companionship and have a VERY strange way of showing it. 4. They feel threatened by the people and DO see them as food but for some reason fear entering into the houses of humans. I'm not sure what I lean toward but I think the fourth is unlikely in these aspects since in most cases they have a sufficient supply of food outside that is much easier prey than the humans within the house. So this is a mystery and what I really need is honest research into this... a field study. But that is unlikely as they are hard to find and it could also be incredibly dangerous. I would really appreciate other people's input into this, it may help people.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Sept 20, 2018 23:56:10 GMT
There are animals that remember to hold grudges for one reason or another. Birds like Blue Jays or Ravens will never forget a person or cat that had invaded their home and harmed their family and will return year after year to terrorize the culprit. Since Dogmen are known for their vengeance streak, it doesn't surprise me to hear that they have an interest in a single person enough to continuously stalk them. Maybe Alicia had unknowingly done something that had upset the creature or it just may find her interesting for some reason and enjoys keeping an eye on her.
I really think these creatures have human intelligence. I think they can communicate with each other as clearly as we can communicate with each other. I think they are capable of being empathetic or a complete psycho, depending on the individual … like people. I am by no means saying that they are human, but I do think they have human traits that make them far more dangerous and must be respected as being the top of the food chain. They know this. They know this and want others to know this.
There are many stories I've heard of people describing the fear tactics of Dogmen as being purposeful, like they really do enjoy people being afraid of them. I suspect it's because we think we are the alfa in this world and they like to prove us wrong … also a very human thing to do. After hearing Alicia's story, I think it's very unlikely that it's the same creature. 25 years is a long time to pass for an animal. I think it's more likely that this particular Dogman is from the same pack and is just curious about Alicia and her family. If it really wanted to cause harm, it would have done so already.
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Post by kaipo on Sept 21, 2018 7:53:04 GMT
There are animals that remember to hold grudges for one reason or another. Birds like Blue Jays or Ravens will never forget a person or cat that had invaded their home and harmed their family and will return year after year to terrorize the culprit. Since Dogmen are known for their vengeance streak, it doesn't surprise me to hear that they have an interest in a single person enough to continuously stalk them. Maybe Alicia had unknowingly done something that had upset the creature or it just may find her interesting for some reason and enjoys keeping an eye on her. I really think these creatures have human intelligence. I think they can communicate with each other as clearly as we can communicate with each other. I think they are capable of being empathetic or a complete psycho, depending on the individual … like people. I am by no means saying that they are human, but I do think they have human traits that make them far more dangerous and must be respected as being the top of the food chain. They know this. They know this and want others to know this. There are many stories I've heard of people describing the fear tactics of Dogmen as being purposeful, like they really do enjoy people being afraid of them. I suspect it's because we think we are the alfa in this world and they like to prove us wrong … also a very human thing to do. After hearing Alicia's story, I think it's very unlikely that it's the same creature. 25 years is a long time to pass for an animal. I think it's more likely that this particular Dogman is from the same pack and is just curious about Alicia and her family. If it really wanted to cause harm, it would have done so already. Very well thought out explanation. Thank you. I too think they have human like intelligence although obviously they act differently because they are a canid species and not humans, thus we shouldn't expect them to act like us. For instance, I've often wondered if we have misinterpreted their behavior in some instances to seem aggressive when really it isn't. An example of this would be the "smile" growl. We often interpret growls to be angry and hateful, but we have seen growls used not just in defense, but in communication of other canine species. I often wonder if this grin they are doing and growl is them trying to communicate with the person even if slightly angry. These types of thoughts makes me even more anxious to try and find a way to communicate with them. I have so many ideas that I want to try out from art to sign language and gifts, I just need a location and permission. But we also have to take into consideration that they likely consider a human walking into their home as an invasion of... well... their home, just like any human. An example of this would be one of the stories I was listening to where a Dogman researcher actually went to the area the Dogmen likely slept. They had small structures made of fallen branches with lots of grass inside for laying on and what not. They were abandoned at the time (probably because the Dogmen knew they were coming and left). After that event, the Dogmen literally set up a trap for them and banged on their vehicle, surrounded them, scared them, and even entered into the man's home who's property it was and stole a camera. Honestly... this seems like a rational response once one steps back and looks at it. How would any of us like it if a person walked into our house, took a bunch of pictures with no permission, and left... especially if we had children? Not only would we be freaked out by what this person was doing, but we would be furious that they would enter our home and take pictures even if they didn't cause any damage or steal anything. Basically they entered a Dogman's house without knocking first which I'm assuming would be quite rude.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Sept 21, 2018 20:31:10 GMT
I have spent a lot of time thinking how to communicate with these creatures. I pay close attention to stories where people describe any form of communication they feel they get from Dogmen. One woman that Vic Cundiff interviewed said that she felt as though it was speaking to her in her thoughts. I can't remember which episode it was but the lady was watching her dad's house and it was literally a glass house so there was no where she could hide from seeing the creature. The lady said that she felt like it was laughing at her and made fun of her for praying. I personally think that it didn't speak telepathically but she did channel a kind of communication through body language or maybe even energy vibrations that her brain unconsciously translated into words she could understand. I think that humans used to be able to communicate like that. Not telepathic but through vibrations and energy. I practice daily on controlling my vibrations though mindfulness practices and I am really curious if I can communicate that way... not that I want to put myself in harms way with these things! To be honest, they scare me half to death but that's also my fascination with them too. I don't know. There's no activity in the Seattle WA area for me to test out anyways...
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Post by kaipo on Sept 24, 2018 5:50:08 GMT
I have spent a lot of time thinking how to communicate with these creatures. I pay close attention to stories where people describe any form of communication they feel they get from Dogmen. One woman that Vic Cundiff interviewed said that she felt as though it was speaking to her in her thoughts. I can't remember which episode it was but the lady was watching her dad's house and it was literally a glass house so there was no where she could hide from seeing the creature. The lady said that she felt like it was laughing at her and made fun of her for praying. I personally think that it didn't speak telepathically but she did channel a kind of communication through body language or maybe even energy vibrations that her brain unconsciously translated into words she could understand. I think that humans used to be able to communicate like that. Not telepathic but through vibrations and energy. I practice daily on controlling my vibrations though mindfulness practices and I am really curious if I can communicate that way... not that I want to put myself in harms way with these things! To be honest, they scare me half to death but that's also my fascination with them too. I don't know. There's no activity in the Seattle WA area for me to test out anyways... I remember that interview. That was an incredible story. The feelings that transpired were almost telepathic but not quite. It's only speculation unfortunately until we can actually get to see one in real life in hopefully a peaceful, non-hostile manner. However communication with tribes of people by anthropologists is quite difficult and often times can be dangerous... and that is with other humans... much less inter-species relations and trying to actually get two individuals together without threatening to kill each other in fear, anger or... hunger? Anyway I found her story amazing and I feel sorry for her too because that must have been terrifying what she had to endure. I would be terrified if a Dogman were knocking on my glass door as well with his massive sharp claw and then glided his claw along the windows so that it would make a scraping sound. I feel like the Dogman was playing with her to make her scared. I'm not sure if that was his original intentions or not, but her reaction may have been what made him angry as he tried to point out that if he actually desired to eat her or harm her he could have easily broken through that window already but hadn't. Can we blame her for screaming profanities at him and being that terrified though? Her entire world of what was and wasn't real had just turned upside down at that moment.
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Post by phantomlizzy on Sept 24, 2018 23:37:04 GMT
To be honest, that lady probably handled that situation better than most people would have. I know I would not have done any better. That story really gave me chills. I really think that Dogman knew what he was doing to scare her so badly. And I think they like doing that to people. I mean, humans intentionally scare smaller creatures for their amusement. I know I'm guilty of doing that to my cat on more than one occasion. I think it's pretty obvious that Dogmen view humans as a lower species. So...what if they just like freaking us out because it's amusing to them?
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Post by kaipo on Sept 25, 2018 4:27:28 GMT
"view humans as a lower species" honestly that is kind of a scary concept. But I think you are right considering all the interactions they have had with us. I wonder if they simply feel superior naturally in a predator setting, or if they also feel superior intellectually like we do with our animals.
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Post by crow71 on Oct 20, 2018 18:19:34 GMT
My opinion is they know we are lower on the food chain than them, they know they could tear us to shreds, but they know what a gun is, I've seen it personally, raise a gun at them & they will seek cover, the only other creature that can give them a hard time is Sasquatch, both in terms of senses, sheer power, but I think a squatch is a little more intelligent, that would a battle for the ages, to witness it would probably make yer brain overload, don't think I'd want to be around for that fight, I'd most likely piss myself! lol
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Post by crow71 on Oct 20, 2018 18:24:05 GMT
I have spent a lot of time thinking how to communicate with these creatures. I pay close attention to stories where people describe any form of communication they feel they get from Dogmen. One woman that Vic Cundiff interviewed said that she felt as though it was speaking to her in her thoughts. I can't remember which episode it was but the lady was watching her dad's house and it was literally a glass house so there was no where she could hide from seeing the creature. The lady said that she felt like it was laughing at her and made fun of her for praying. I personally think that it didn't speak telepathically but she did channel a kind of communication through body language or maybe even energy vibrations that her brain unconsciously translated into words she could understand. I think that humans used to be able to communicate like that. Not telepathic but through vibrations and energy. I practice daily on controlling my vibrations though mindfulness practices and I am really curious if I can communicate that way... not that I want to put myself in harms way with these things! To be honest, they scare me half to death but that's also my fascination with them too. I don't know. There's no activity in the Seattle WA area for me to test out anyways...I told ya to come on down this way , them boogers are here, seen em & have numerous sightings from other folks.
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Post by arcanelife on Oct 21, 2018 17:31:38 GMT
They stalk people for the same reasons gangsters stalk people...
1. They aren't simply 'people' that they're stalking... they are witnesses.
2. It's clearly fun for them terrifying people. Period.
I see many people here noting the 'human like' intelligence. I think people should draw their own conclusions on what that (very accurate) observation might point to...
Sorry if the picture that paints isn't the nicest.
It is what it is. Most likely been going on hundreds of years and it isn't gonna change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 14:24:30 GMT
They stalk people for the same reasons gangsters stalk people... 1. They aren't simply 'people' that they're stalking... they are witnesses. 2. It's clearly fun for them terrifying people. Period. I see many people here noting the 'human like' intelligence. I think people should draw their own conclusions on what that (very accurate) observation might point to... Sorry if the picture that paints isn't the nicest. It is what it is. Most likely been going on hundreds of years and it isn't gonna change. This is what I was thinking much like the mob or a gang they intimidate people, mix it in with possible migration and large terriroties ( Figure an african lion have 100 square miles). Probably they communicate with one another explaining that it's an easy way to scare people off, it's scary to us but I am sure that they use it as a less confrontational way of getting what they want. We are rather easy pickings for most predators.
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Post by kaipo on Oct 24, 2018 20:17:52 GMT
That could be the case. I think that is the case for a lot of them in fact. However I've also heard of a lot of cases where it honestly seemed like the Dogman was more interested or curious about the person in particular rather than actually having ill intent or wanting to scare them. In fact it seemed a couple of times the Dogman was actually slightly surprised when the person saw him or her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 2:04:06 GMT
That could be the case. I think that is the case for a lot of them in fact. However I've also heard of a lot of cases where it honestly seemed like the Dogman was more interested or curious about the person in particular rather than actually having ill intent or wanting to scare them. In fact it seemed a couple of times the Dogman was actually slightly surprised when the person saw him or her. I have no experience with these things it's an interest, and only learned from listening to experiences of others, that said I pay very close attention to not so much feelings but the habits things which are in common through multiple encounters. But from what people say they seem smart and understand people be it fears or what our tendencies are, so I am sure that average person doesn't pay attention very closely. So when they are signted by multiple people it's like an OPSEC fail for them we know that some have been shot maybe killed, if the history is correct then they have been used in battle so they know what we can do some must have fallen. Hurting and killing people attracts attention and it appears as though someone (Agency/Military) cull the bad ones who take life.I am sure like any other person or critter fighting is kind of a last resort, there are no guarantees for them to carry the day also like people/citters they have different personalities.
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Post by arcanelife on Oct 27, 2018 19:42:25 GMT
I am no expert... as Joedy says there are no experts. I do have some knowledge I suppose... but honestly it doesn't matter in the big picture. Well not from what I can see.
I keep pushing the 'intellect' angle because I really want sensible people to focus on what that means. It is more informative than most all other information we have if you catch my drift?
See... what I am trying to draw attention to here is that, no matter how you cut it, these 'creatures' have one hell of a good understanding of our culture here...and more importantly their practical anonymity in our culture. They UNDERSTAND they aren't noticed or acknowledged by the majority... so they UNDERSTAND that terrorising individuals is a viable tactic of intimidation. I hope I am making sense here.
Extrapolate their likely nature by piecing together the consistent behaviour. I'd suggest that is a fruitful line of enquiry.
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