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Post by somerandomuser on Apr 3, 2021 11:39:18 GMT
Video has moved to private, I am guessing something occurred. Oh well better to expunge bad data which can lead to bad ideas and then to bad conclusions.
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Post by carljenkins on Apr 3, 2021 15:42:39 GMT
Video has moved to private, I am guessing something occurred. Oh well better to expunge bad data which can lead to bad ideas and then to bad conclusions. Actually some national entity is going to interview Roger, and they requested they make the video private for now until their investigation is over. "The video is now set to private for roughly two months until the national property has opportunity to air their version. This larger group has promised to stay faithful to Roger's version of the story, and to be respectful to it. Their platform will be able to share the story to many more people than we will ever be able to; and that is what is important in this story. Roger could be lying to us, or he could be 100% honest, and this platform CAN PROVE if he is telling the truth, and if he is lying they CAN PROVE that as well. So for the nay sayers out there this is a perfect opportunity for everyone. For those who believe Roger, for those who do not believe him, and those who are on the fence about the entire situation. Please be patient with us during this time as we have been accused of dishonesty on our part, and I can guarantee that we are entirely innocent and that all we have done is let a man tell what he claims to be his true story. Not everyone who sees our videos is familiar with us but learning the truth and presenting that truth honestly is genuinely important to us in this field. When this video returns you will find absolutely NO DETAILS ADDED or the story changed whatsoever, it will remain the same. If for some reason there is a special reason that someone needs to see the interview, please let us know and we can still make that happen for you. The video is still on youtube, it's just set to private for a short while. One more point of confusion, if we do not make the video private then this special project could fail entirely. Some people have wondered what this National property is, and to quote Doctor Strange from Avengers Endgame: "If I tell you what happens, it won't happen.""
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Post by somerandomuser on Apr 4, 2021 0:17:23 GMT
Well I personally am all for someone investigating the witness perhaps they will touch on the story itself and once and for all we can have some level of confirmation on this story of the LBL one way or the other. I can say I hit a wall between looking at animal attacks in Tennessee and Kentucky from the time period and looking for any attack of children and or adults which can be then checked out with a corners report I fully expected that just to throw the trail off the bodies would have been sent to a different state, where autopsy and maybe burial would occur. I hope that some level of the mystery is revealed I should say I expect certain things to never hit the news sometimes when it's embarrassing foreign news sources are going to air it months in advance before any US media would touch it if it's even touched mainly in intelligence, but other similar subjects. I know that I see a story or encounter as true or not by details given about behavior there are a few things that seem really consistent, I also fully expect that people will miss identify other odd balled creatures running about and no I am not talking about a bear or similar commonly stated misidentifications.
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Post by carljenkins on Apr 4, 2021 2:06:01 GMT
There wouldn't be any police reports that are accessible to the public. Ongoing homicide investigations are not public knowledge, and it would be up to the agency to release any information provided it does not violate the privacy of the parties involved. If a homicide goes unsolved, it is just open filed and goes to the cold case files. So yes, that is one way law enforcement can cover something up. And if this incident happened in deep in the recreation area, which it supposedly did, then residents and media would not know that anything happened, since residents live outside the recreation area. But there is one thing: The eyewitness, Roger, gave the actual names of the family to the youtube channel. At least those names can be verified and traced. Same with the year, make, and model of the RV. Those can be traced to see if these people actually existed. There would be vehicle registration records, drivers license, and other information.
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Post by carljenkins on Apr 14, 2021 4:34:17 GMT
Alright, I listened to parts of Joedi's interview on Josh Turner's Paranormal Round Table and he brought up some interesting points, which definitely brings Roger's story into doubt. So we will just have to see if Roger can stand up to the scrutiny of the network that's investigating the story. If he's exposed as a fraud, oh well, he brought it on himself. As a casual listener, it doesn't matter to me which way it goes.
What I do not understand is what is with all the infighting going on within the bigfoot and dogman community? It's a sad testament to the state of our society, when other opinions and beliefs are not tolerated. What happened to live and let live? Why is everyone being attacked?
One question I have is for Joedi: What is the interest of the federal agencies, such as the NSA, about the dogman phenomenon? This creature is not even scientifically confirmed to exist, yet the NSA is involved? What? What does dogman and bigfoot have to do with national security?
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Post by somerandomuser on Apr 14, 2021 9:37:43 GMT
I think a few things, possibly getting an edge in combat if the cloaking or some other mysterious or reported phenomenon is real with these creatures that is an edge. I look to infosec I will learn new languages that are not super common or use programming techniques that are not common when I would be on an engagement and evading defenses. I also would analyze malware to see what are others doing and maybe figure out another way to do roughly the same thing in a different way and if possible get products expected to be encountered in the target environment where in lots of testing and learning goes on. Even if there is a chance that the reports are right or somewhat correct where in the witness did not understand exactly what happened then there is a chance to understand the procedure and or science behind how it works then adapting it practically in various scenarios not all just combat related but also for intelligence gathering.
Edit: I also would like to know Joedy's point of view on the matter as to why the government would be so interested.
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Post by carljenkins on Apr 28, 2021 6:24:48 GMT
Okay, very interesting show tonight on Josh Turner's Paranormal Round Table. He had the alleged witness/survivor Roger come on the show to give his story, and then Josh had Joedi Cook join in. Interesting that Roger is able to answer the hard questions and at one point, Roger and Joedi were becoming confrontational. Give it a listen.
Gotta give Roger credit for having the guts to come on the show and restate his story and answer all questions. Is he lying? I don't know or have enough information to judge.
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Post by somerandomuser on Apr 29, 2021 3:12:43 GMT
I will have to give this a listen, and update with any thoughts. It'd be nice to see the person during questions, interview and all of that to get an idea of somethings. Alright listen time. I honestly like that everyone was in on the call and got to discuss the events. Listening now: How many hours or days were local LE on site? Did they handle the hunt if there was one of the creature? Could there have been multiple incidents? (More than what is known to a point where a task force is setup to respond to such incidents?) Odd thought as to why Roger wasn't "threatened" and instead was treated well: Common tactic often if one doesn't want to start out the day with pliers, bolt cutters, and a torch then being a friend can keep a mouth shut sometimes just as well. I know that this happens and is a tactic one would use with a very vulnerable individual, they rely on you and believe that their entire well being is entirely within my purview. I do agree that the story being told in a calm way, most people like the average person when they have or see disturbing things they will change tone, speed or intonation of their speech; I will say that people who witness things day in day out are rather calm and will be almost joking about some pretty horrific things. Not very sure about Roger's exact background but doesn't strike me as that type of a person. Not sure if the gentleman is joking about going up close, but that to me sounds very interesting. I always believe that one should let the Gods decide. Edit: So today while driving ~ 120 miles each way (240 mi total) I had my front diff make horrible noises, I probably had spent ~15 minutes on location assisting that location with non-destructive entry (destructive if needed) into their equipment shed. Anyhow after arriving back home soon as I turned off the car, crawled underneath the truck and with bare hands just touched the drive shaft it was more than ambient (~65F) probably close to 80-85 ( it was warmer than ambient basically) but popped her off the transfer case and front diff. Mind you I have seen drive shafts get very hot on the spline to the transfer case when they are low on fluid or universal joint failure maybe cv axel issues to the point where you can't handle one unless you have on welding gloves or equally robust hand protection from heat. Other things to note is if the exhaust is close to the drive shaft.. I will say that some driveline components run from 190 - 224F but also I will be towing say a bobcat or something, I tend to check on things during longer hauls with an electronic thermometer (after tranny overheated hauling a backhoe these temps are from the wheel hub bearing/cv axel and transfer case). Wanted to add that with many transfer case/tranny fluids anything above maybe 460F there is a MAJOR risk of fire. Below I included some figures about the flash point and fire point on tranny fluids. Denote we are talking fluid temps not the outside case temp. www.flashoffroad.com/Accessories/Gauges/TcaseTransGauges/TcaseGauge.htm
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Post by Minnesota Watcher on Apr 30, 2021 20:52:36 GMT
WOW -- that LBL podcast is must listening for anyone interested in learning about dogmen. Thank you carljenkins! Josh Turner does an excellent job of navigating between Roger, the purported LBL witness, critic Joedy Cook of NADP and Kentucky cryptid researcher Barton Nunnelly.
The first three hours involve each getting their perspective on the LBL incident fully elaborated. Barton in particular asks very good questions of Roger, who demonstrates good will throughout. Joedy at times repeats his criticisms, some of which seem credible and some of which do not.
You will not find a better discussion of the LBL incident anywhere.
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Post by carljenkins on May 2, 2021 4:29:16 GMT
Looks like we have an update. Roger went back on the Cryptid Studies Institute to answer more questions, this time without interruption.
Again, I wish reiterate that I am withholding any judgement on whether or not Roger is telling the truth. He could be the only surviving witness as he says he is, or he might be one of those really good liars. One thing is for sure though: He has stayed consistent with his story. Another thing to consider is that this tragedy allegedly occurred on April 7, 1982 - a date which he claims he is absolutely sure of, which is 39 years ago. He has apparently successfully defended himself against Joedy's questions.
So take from it what you will and decide for yourself. Or you can be like me, sitting on the fence.
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Post by Minnesota watcher on May 3, 2021 20:52:49 GMT
These two most recent Youtubes from the Cryptid Studies Institute are very valuable in sort through the alleged eyewitness experience with the LBL murders. Barton Nunnelly does a fine job of questioning Roger, the alleged eyewitness, about specific events and Roger is helpful throughout. The full testimony of Roger gets fleshed out well here. Of particular note -- Roger may discuss with his mother what she was told about the event. Fascinating stuff, well worth your time.
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