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Post by peachey on Dec 10, 2017 21:36:24 GMT
hi everyone...hope you are all well. i want to draw your attention to the rising number of eyewitness accounts concerning dogmen and their interaction with the coyote population.
not only have we heard stories of giant alfa coyotes with the ability to stand up, but there are lots of hunting related incidents where the coyotes are heard but dont come out to be shot when the hunters call them. in these events there is often a loud howling heard as if a dogman is telling the coyotes not to respond.
i have noted this type of story many times and wonder if anyone is working on this subject.
i am presuming thaat this is a new developement in wild canine behaviour in the US. does anyone know of any similar events regarding dogmen and wolves?
is it normal coyote behaviour to accept a wolf as alfa in thier pack? does this ever happen? i am thinking that a huge dogman would clearly be respeccted by other canines for its intelligence but feared too much for any to try to interact with one....but they seem to be doing just that.
is this, as i thin,k a recent developement or are there stories from the past of this happening too?
i hope someone can help me with some information..
thanks everyone....be safe.
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Post by ag47 on Dec 10, 2017 23:57:44 GMT
Interesting observations and questions.
Anybody have anything?
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Post by Wolf's rain on Dec 11, 2017 13:51:42 GMT
I have not heard anything like that here in my state of new jersey but we do have coyotes here and they do try to interact with people driving down the road where there are wooded areas. Where coyotes would come out into the middle of a road and pretend to be hurt by walking around in a circle. I don't think that is dogman related but I do know we do have dogman here with the reports I have seen. More then one by the way. Also, Just to correct some mistakes about wolves and coyotes. The whole Alpha wolf type thing is obsolete and wrong when talking about a wolf pack. There are NO!! Alphas or betas wolves, A wolf pack is more structured like a human family and not like a leader in a gang, Think of your own human family, Now put fur and a tail on your family and there is your wolf pack. You got the Mother and father, NOT!! Alpha leaders, You got the aunts and uncles in a wolf pack, NOT!! Wolf betas and you got the kids, pups. So the whole Alpha Wolf thing is obsolete and that came up because of humans researchers not understanding what and how a Wolf Family works. So keep this post in mind when talking about Wolves.
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Post by ag47 on Dec 11, 2017 14:22:49 GMT
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Post by peachey on Dec 11, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
thanks for the replies....wolf's rain, interested to hear of the coyotes in NJ trying to stop cars by feigning injury, this is just the kind of thing that i am referring to.
understood that the alfa concept is outdated, and that it is usual for family groups to grow into packs.....but would these coyotes have acted this way 100 years ago?
further note on this odd canine behaviour. here in the UK we dont have wild packs of canines...officially of course....but we do have foxes. the urban fox has adapted to live in towns and cities. usually solitary animals as you know.....west london, not central but still very much in a city. friend of mine is walking home, about midnight...now my friend is a big unit and rough with it, 6 3" and 220 to 230 pounds......a fox blocks his path as he takes a short cut through some flats, it stands in front of him and growls and bears its teeth, he stops, thinking , 'what?' as he decides to ignore it and walk on 4 more foxes appear all growling and showing teeth....he left, and was defo still surprised and a bit shocked the day after.
probably nothing but this is not normal behaviour for a little fox, and it reminded me of the stories of coyotes seeming to do similar things recently.
anyway, i would love to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on dogmen being seen as a leader to coyotes, (i wont use the term alfa in this case, thanks wolfs rain... ) or any similar changes in coyote or wolf behaviour.
also another point....does anything else in the woods smell of sulphur? i live in a forest, full of disused mines, and have seen some huge prints over the last couple of years so please someone tell me , yes there is a cute cuddly animal that smels of sulphur and it defo isnt a huge dogman....thanks again to all....be safe.
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Post by nubianarcher on Jan 8, 2018 9:21:50 GMT
Halifax Co. Woman Kills Coyote In Her Back Yard by Whitney Delbridge Friday, May 30th 2014 Halifax Co., VA - It's a growing problem in Halifax County that hit too close to home for one woman. Last week, Deborah Bakos killed a coyote that was just feet away from a goat pen in her back yard. She's glad she wasn't too late. Bakos thinks this coyote was looking for food. Experts say they've seen a coyote problem all over the state for the last few years. Even with bounty systems in place, they say it likely won't get better anytime soon. "I saw movement over at the tobacco barn and I said 'Uh-oh, this is not good'" Bakos said. She ran inside, got her gun, and took one shot. Bakos had killed what she describes as the largest coyote she has ever seen. "If he'd have stood up on his back feet he would have been about that high on me," Bakos said. Bakos says this may not be her first close encounter. She has a farm with a variety of animals, but some have mysteriously disappeared over the years. Her sister's cat was also attacked late one night by something she didn't see, but definitely heard. "I could hear this horrible gut type of growl. I never heard a growl like that before," Bakos said. Throughout the county, cats, dogs, even small livestock have all fallen victim to coyotes. Chief Warden Todd Moser says Halifax County put a bounty program in place years ago to cut the population, but it hasn't really worked. "It's not an efficient way to manage wildlife," Moser said. Though they are not known to attack humans, Moser says there are ways to keep them away from your home. "Keep up any loose dog food, any loose cat food, don't leave your garbage out. Don't leave anything out that would attract any wild animal," Moser explained. That will not eliminate the issue all together, though. "They're here and they're here to stay. I don't think you will ever get rid of the coyotes," Moser said. Moser says coyotes are considered nuisance animals in the state of Virginia. If you have a high number of coyotes in your area, contact your local animal control. wset.com/archive/halifax-co-woman-kills-coyote-in-her-back-yard |
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Post by ag47 on Jan 8, 2018 13:47:24 GMT
Thank you nubianarcher.
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