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Post by brandonregn5directr on Jul 27, 2018 21:55:42 GMT
Hello all my name is Brandon Im the Region 5 Director. Ive done a few interviews recently that I think will help all of us out. First I would like to say that I know that every individual will interview in a different manner and thats perfect, you may pick up things that another wouldn't with your methods. That being said I had the privilege of interviewing 2 individuals recently that one claimed to have seen a Dogman and the other another incident another individual claimed to have seen a Hellhound. Guys I am not one that thinks every little bump,scratch,odd smell, and limb crack is the Boogeyman.....we've all seen that on one TV show or the other  . I for one am careful not to lead one into contorting their statement either I just let people speak and ask very basic questions. SO LETS GET TO THE POINT. While interviewing one of the individuals I was very focused on the body appearance of the cryptid, location of Incident and its actions. I came to the conclusion that that individual didn't see a Dogman in my opinion its physic, actions and location lead me to believe that the poor kid was witnessing a Skinwalker that was interested in the family that his mother was visiting or one of the individuals at this get together where this incident took place (it paid the interviewee NO attention). The build was very slender, hands of a raccoon and the body of a wolf upright and black eyes. Also in a area that is very heavy with Native American influence. Given the makeup of the cryptid and that it was watching a home it matched the M.O. and the appearance of a Skinwalker. On the second Interview I just listened to the individual while they swore that they had been in direct contact with at Hellhound....Now this is all possible of course but with minimal digging I was able to determine and explain to this person that it wasn't a Hellhound it was a K9 with severe mange. She was VERY adamant about convincing me that it was a Hellhound but lets use the power of deduction and reasoning. I think you guys will come to the same conclusion. 1. Description, Large K9 NO HAIR, dry scaly skin "playing" with another dog in the yard. 2. K9 was shot twice and killed. 3. Body was able to be retrieved and discarded. 1 Description of the animal was wrong Hellhounds are almost always seen with ragged Black coat. Red Glowing Eyes. (not messing with another dog in the yard) 2 Shot and Killed.....(we are talking about a paranormal entity that is sent to collect souls for the Devil and is usually a sign of death and despair). Folklore also states specific ways to deal with a hellhound and shooting it isn't one of them. 3 After that animal was killed the individual and her brother had been able to discard the body. "It took 2 Hefty bags to bag it up". Again, given the folklore of the Hellhound this would be impossible.
Conclusion: Large Dog with severe mange. Shot 2 times then discarded in Hefty bags.
Conclusion, This may not be what the Interviewee wants to hear BUT we have to maintain our integrity and not jump to conclusions, REMEMBER guys there are other Dog like cryptids and Paranormal animalistic things out there. I recommend people becoming VERY familiar with Skinwalkers, Werewolves, Dogman and their different classes, Hellhounds and Bigfoot and their Different classes. Be aware of the surroundings and the history of the area you are investigating. This is a very delicate situation and the better versed you are in these anomalies the easier it will be for you to make a calculated LOGICAL diagnosis as to what those individuals are dealing with. If anyone needs help inside region 5 or NOT feel free to contact me with your questions, thats what Im for. If I don't have the answer I will find someone who does. I can be contacted on Facebook: North American Dogman Project, North Carolina Chapter.
HAPPY HUNTING GUYS!!!!
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Post by whitefeather on Jul 27, 2018 23:38:56 GMT
Hello Brandon,
Excellent post! If I may, I'd like to add a couple suggestions worth keeping in mind on this topic.
My experience as a police officer and amateur Naturalist have taught me that people are not good eye-witnesses, regardless of how honest and sincere they are. In ideal circumstances we often radically misjudge height and weight. Throw in low light, bad weather, a moving vehicle, impeded view, high stress, etc. and the accuracy of reports declines drastically.
This shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than what it is; performing a task poorly that the vast majority of us rarely, if ever, are called upon to perform.
Along the same line, I realize some of us have rather strong opinions about different aspects of cryptozoology. That said, remember that an interview is not an interrogation. Useful information is difficult enough to extract from reporting persons without adding to their discomfort level.
There are some things pertaining to familiarization that are also worth noting. Most people have never seen an adult wolf or bear in the wild and have no idea how they behave. If these animals are not common in the area of the sighting, or they are behaving abnormally for any reason, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to misidentify them. E.G.; I've watched video of a black bear with injured front paws walk upright for more than a hundred yards. In addition, their anatomy makes the front paws hang surprisingly low when standing upright.
Hopefully this will be helpful to some of you, and let's keep in mind Occam's razor; the simplest answer is usually the right one. To quote someone who paraphrased it beautifully, "When you hear hoof-beats, zebra should not be the first thing that comes to mind."
BEST OF LUCK AND STAY SAFE!
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Post by ag47 on Jul 27, 2018 23:57:36 GMT
Thanks Brandon and Whitefeather!
And welcome to our forum.
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Post by brandonregn5directr on Jul 28, 2018 2:57:55 GMT
Interestingly enough I am ALSO prior Law Enforcement and a retired US Army Scout. Nice to see someone else with some real world experience WHITEFEATHER.
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Post by whitefeather on Jul 28, 2018 13:28:46 GMT
If I remember correctly Ag47 has prior [REDACTED] experience with [REDACTED].
In my opinion we're bringing together exactly the right group of people to confront the dogman phenomena, if we're to have any hope of getting at whatever truth is underlying the reports.
I find that reassuring, having just listened to episode 207 of Dogman encounters. Which is overall the most disconcerting one I've heard so far for several reasons.
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Hi Nadp. Can anyone tell me if there has been sightings of a Dogman on Cape Cod, MA?
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Post by jasper on Jul 30, 2018 6:09:30 GMT
Hi Whitefeather, I would very much like to read your thoughts on Brandon Chase's encounter in episode 207. I cannot at this moment recall the Dogman encounter in which a gentleman (I suspect a sheriff) was driving his cherry-bomb muffler car that was stalked by a dogman. This dogman paced along side the gentleman's car and practically stuck its head inside the passenger window. This incident happened along the Tennessee and Virginia border. If anyone knows this Dogman Encounter episode please put it up. Brandon's encounter in his buggy is very similar to this episode.
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Post by whitefeather on Jul 30, 2018 9:47:44 GMT
Hi Jasper,
I expressed my thoughts about episode 207 in that thread.
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Post by Wolfhound on Jul 30, 2018 18:12:50 GMT
jasper, I think Dogman Encounters Radio episode 117 is the one you are seeking, in which J.T. in northeastern Tennessee tells of his encounter.I'll post a little later, due to time constraints right now, giving my opinion of the series of the 3 episodes ending with number 207. Episode 117 is relevant to my opinion of the 3-part story.
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Post by michaelcorvin on Jul 30, 2018 20:44:10 GMT
Witnesses that include amber eyes and raccoon hands in their description always throws up a red flag for me. It seems they have been listening to a lot of other accounts, which is where that testimony could be influenced from.
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Post by Wolfhound on Aug 1, 2018 2:39:59 GMT
Regarding the Dogman Encounters Radio episodes 190 & 191,I have my doubts about that story. There are a few details that I have trouble with, but the main thing is that he tells the story like he's reading aloud someone else's Encounters. First, to see such a creature and be pursued by it, very nearly caught, then barely escape would be very traumatic to an individual. To find one in your barn and then find one inside your house twice, would be even worse, I would think. He seems to be unusually calm when recounting these recent events. Compare the seeming lack of alarm in his voice to the voice of JT in episode 117 as he tells of his encounter decades ago. I just have a hard time believing that someone could experience the recent events which Brandon Close described without being more disturbed when telling the tale. It's just a "gut feeling", but I tend to not believe the story. His lack of situational awareness troubles me as well, such as,#1 knowing one creature was in the area and then not entertaining the possibility that there could be more,#2 letting his child continue to sleep downstairs near an open window,#3 walking around his property without being armed especially after the events he witnessed,#4 choosing to arm himself with a caliber .40 S+W pistol after seeing the creature absorb the damage from a shotgun slug and still be able to function,#5 failing to ensure the doors to his house were locked each night. I could accept that the Federal government would have some special troops and equipment ready to deal with such things and would make the contact information available to certain wildlife officials and law enforcement who would then be sworn to secrecy. I admit I'm not a psychologist or an interrogation specialist, and we're unable to evaluate the facial expressions and body language of Brandon Close as he recounts the story. It's just my "gut feeling", but I have a hard time believing this particular story.
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Post by michaelcorvin on Aug 1, 2018 3:21:29 GMT
Regarding the Dogman Encounters Radio episodes 190 & 191,I have my doubts about that story. There are a few details that I have trouble with, but the main thing is that he tells the story like he's reading aloud someone else's Encounters. First, to see such a creature and be pursued by it, very nearly caught, then barely escape would be very traumatic to an individual. To find one in your barn and then find one inside your house twice, would be even worse, I would think. He seems to be unusually calm when recounting these recent events. Compare the seeming lack of alarm in his voice to the voice of JT in episode 117 as he tells of his encounter decades ago. I just have a hard time believing that someone could experience the recent events which Brandon Close described without being more disturbed when telling the tale. It's just a "gut feeling", but I tend to not believe the story. His lack of situational awareness troubles me as well, such as,#1 knowing one creature was in the area and then not entertaining the possibility that there could be more,#2 letting his child continue to sleep downstairs near an open window,#3 walking around his property without being armed especially after the events he witnessed,#4 choosing to arm himself with a caliber .40 S+W pistol after seeing the creature absorb the damage from a shotgun slug and still be able to function,#5 failing to ensure the doors to his house were locked each night. I could accept that the Federal government would have some special troops and equipment ready to deal with such things and would make the contact information available to certain wildlife officials and law enforcement who would then be sworn to secrecy. I admit I'm not a psychologist or an interrogation specialist, and we're unable to evaluate the facial expressions and body language of Brandon Close as he recounts the story. It's just my "gut feeling", but I have a hard time believing this particular story. I agree, I believed the first story, but then it just became really weird after his next couple interviews. i refuse to listen to certain youtube channels that use mail in dogman and cryptid stories, if I do it usually gets turned off and more often then not they sound like a written story rather than an authentic personal experience.
Dark Waters and Josh Turner I have to give credit for actual meeting with people they get their stories from.
Lisa Lycan's childhood story sounds embellished and maybe completely made up after hearing her tell the same story in multiple interviews. Kirk Stokes I have a hard time believing as well because all his photos are of absolutely nothing and what really first threw me off about Vic Cundiff was promoting his online pictures as solid and authentic. There was another account on Dogman Encounters and it sounded like a gangster slang talking young man making up the most fabricated story I have ever heard.
As researchers/investigators we MUST be objective and not catch ourselves fall into the huge portion of the field that is considered 'credulous'.
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Post by jessz on Aug 2, 2018 15:29:32 GMT
The easiest way to digest these, is to remove the emotional elements. Break it down to who, what, when, where, why, and how. Fact check what you can and don’t completely discount false testimony. Once you remove the emotions and fluff, you still have some basic helpful data. They are either repeating an encounter they have heard, or creating a story from what they have taken in. At the heart of it is a seed of truth that can be measured. :-)
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Post by bella on Aug 7, 2018 3:06:02 GMT
For individuals who have had an encounter with dogman, this is absolutely traumatizing. The beautiful, peaceful forest you once camped, hunted, hiked, etc are no longer the same. The choice of weapon you carried for protection, or so you thought, is nothing...your world has changed forever.
For most, we come here for help, support and for answers and to make sense of the encounter and what is truly out there. The last thing these individuals need is ridiculed for coming forward to tell their story. You can hear the fear in their voice and actually visualize their experience. Extreme PTSD. I do not appreciate fabricated stories and people trying to "jump on the bandwagon" and lie and create their own story just for attention or as a cruel joke. This is why so many people fear to come forward. For those who think this is funny and not serious, I have no respect for you.
I do agree that some of the stories that have been mentioned here are false and/or exaggerated and I to have a hard time believing them...I just wish more people would understand this is serious, dogman are real and please respect those who have had the unfortunate, true and terrifying experience with dogman.
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Post by ag47 on Aug 7, 2018 17:54:40 GMT
-bella
That was one of the things that stood out to me, the traumatizing deep fear and subsequent post-traumatic stress described. I hear it in the stories of people to whom the forest and wilderness was a 'second home,' and who spent many days and hours hunting, hiking, etc., only to never want to go in those areas again after an encounter. Whatever they encountered changed their world-view entirely. For them the boogeyman just got real.
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Post by ag47 on Aug 8, 2018 20:10:27 GMT
Here is something interesting because it illustrates a core facet of outside-the-box occurrences and events. This is a segment of an interview by Joe Rogan with scientist Paul Stamets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stamets) in which Stamets relates something that happened to him which defies conventional explanation. youtu.be/01mKyn_Gwcs?t=3sThe take-away from the whole (I thought quite interesting) story is as stated by Stamets:
“Just because you can’t explain it, does not mean that it’s not true… reality is not limited to the perception that we have tradionally used….”I think this might just apply to such subjects as bigfoot and dogman. Those looking for a simple, biological explanation are not finding it, and the reason why may be that the whole phenomena might not quite be inside the box in which we've been taught to think. Just sayin'  ADDED 08-09-2018-18:16: "AGAINST EXCESSIVE SKEPTICISM - - COLLECTED QUOTES " "The ability to quote is a servicable substitute for wit." - W. Somerset Maugham (that's pretty funny, but somewhat true) amasci.com/weird/skepquot.html |
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. I for one am careful not to lead one into contorting their statement either I just let people speak and ask very basic questions. 
