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Post by michaelcorvin on Sept 12, 2018 21:23:52 GMT
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Post by whitefeather on Sept 13, 2018 4:37:18 GMT
It may be that he lost some of his audience because of the rift with NADP.
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Post by michaelcorvin on Sept 13, 2018 20:54:35 GMT
He could just be feeling paranoid over the controversy, or maybe there was/is some manipulation of YT, metadata, or search engine stuff. Hard to say unless we actually see a change in the channel (are we seeing that? I don't know because I haven't had time to listen to that or much other media in a while). What whitefeather says could be true also, and probably is. We live in a guilty-until-proven-innocent society. Wanna wreck somebody? Accuse them of certain things, and they are toast whether they did it or not. Retractions are not popular in our "news" media, and if they happen at all it'll be a little tiny thing buried in content somewhere where it's highly unlikely anyone will read it. Sordid sells, and defamation seems to be the new norm. Ever since watching Vic's deceptive interview with Dark Waters under a different YT channel with voice changer, I have never looked at Vic with much credibility.
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Post by kaipo on Sept 14, 2018 6:38:55 GMT
Why would he use a voice changer just for that interview?
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Post by jessz on Sept 14, 2018 14:02:32 GMT
I still listen to Vic’s stuff, but I feel he is largely freaking out because of the increasing popularity of Dogman. He makes money from his show and the competition is probably stressful. Not saying it’s okay to lash out, but I can see why he is behaving the way he is. He ness to take a break and self reflect.
That said, I have reached out to a bunch of folk who do shows on cryptids. Every single one except Vic has engaged with me. Mr. Dark waters even took the time to chat with me on the phone. That alone speaks volumes to me anyway.
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Post by michaelcorvin on Sept 15, 2018 10:35:55 GMT
You can clearly tell that is Vic using a voice synthesizer of some sort, the even shadier part is interviewing Dark Waters about their drama at such a deceptive level.
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Post by Chip on Sept 15, 2018 18:21:53 GMT
What is Vic's problem with NADP?
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Post by savageson on Oct 15, 2018 7:06:18 GMT
Vic Cundiff does a tremendous service to those who have had a life altering encounter with living breathing nightmare. Now correct me if I am wrong NADP is also available for viewing on YouTube of course it is. An does not the man or woman that created that channel also receive financial gain as well an they should, same as Vic Cundiff. I have spoken personal with Vic I sought him out not him actively trying to recruit me an or anyone else. I did not then nor do I now desire to publicly tell of certain situations I've been involved in. For 22 years I have worked exclusively in the great Smokey Mountains felling timber. Add to that the years spent pursuing what game animals were legal at any given time. I have had some of the most wonderful an horrifying experiences of my life in the mountains an hollars. My point is this Vic is sincere an his intentions are in the rite place. Why is the cryptid community so quick to discredit one another. Instead of coming together to prove that there are monsters outside our doors. Why else are we here, some for money no surprise there. Most are good men an women trying to help
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Post by R_frt on Oct 16, 2018 16:30:23 GMT
He could just be feeling paranoid over the controversy, or maybe there was/is some manipulation of YT, metadata, or search engine stuff. Hard to say unless we actually see a change in the channel (are we seeing that? I don't know because I haven't had time to listen to that or much other media in a while). What whitefeather says could be true also, and probably is. We live in a guilty-until-proven-innocent society. Wanna wreck somebody? Accuse them of certain things, and they are toast whether they did it or not. Retractions are not popular in our "news" media, and if they happen at all it'll be a little tiny thing buried in content somewhere where it's highly unlikely anyone will read it. Sordid sells, and defamation seems to be the new norm. Ever since watching Vic's deceptive interview with Dark Waters under a different YT channel with voice changer, I have never looked at Vic with much credibility.
Hi there, this seems to be an automatic reader which oddly sounds like Vic. It's bizarre, the fake Vic makes fun of the drama with Vic Cundiff, lol. It was very likely not Vic who made this.
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Post by VikingHSohio on Oct 18, 2018 2:06:52 GMT
Has anyone ever considered that maybe someone found away to manipulate Cundiffs voice or even maybe found the same device Vic might use to change his? If said person did ( dark waters) then maybe they’d have the tools to eliminate competition. ( motive?) maybe viewers were starting to get annoyed with the arrogance an started to see that the channel wasn’t to help those an warn others instead Maybe it was partially a money scheme that down the road sold out to be government controlled to mislead,
People these things are out here, ya they might help some go to sleep while others pass the time, but the ones in the trenches are being silenced, and yes there’s plenty of pics of these natural beings but the internet is government ran and government patrolled therefore you might get a pic up online for a minute or two but the outcome is not worth it. Harassment, fraud (tax credit tampered with) ext.... still can’t believe people can’t see what’s really going on , open your fricking minds, were not on top of the food chain deal with it
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Post by VikingHSohio on Oct 18, 2018 2:07:58 GMT
Has anyone ever considered that maybe someone found away to manipulate Cundiffs voice or even maybe found the same device Vic might use to change his? If said person did ( dark waters) then maybe they’d have the tools to eliminate competition. ( motive?) maybe viewers were starting to get annoyed with the arrogance an started to see that the channel wasn’t to help those an warn others instead Maybe it was partially a money scheme that down the road sold out to be government controlled to mislead,
People these things are out here, ya they might help some go to sleep while others pass the time, but the ones in the trenches are being silenced, and yes there’s plenty of pics of these natural beings but the internet is government ran and government patrolled therefore you might get a pic up online for a minute or two but the outcome is not worth it. Harassment, fraud (tax credit tampered with) ext.... still can’t believe people can’t see what’s really going on , open your fricking minds, were not on top of the food chain deal with it
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Post by bobbie on Oct 18, 2018 11:46:02 GMT
Greetings, Vic wasn't making it up and he wasn't the only one that had issues with the changes youtube made to how they pay out- as a matter of fact DarkWaters was also complaining about it. He finally launched a subscription/premium model. I also heard some of my other paranormal podcast on YT make similar claims during that time. I also do not think that interview is Vic. He takes the high road - did you hear the interview where he was hijacked on Coast to Coast a few months ago? He was more than gracious. I haven't felt the same about Dark Waters since that happened....it was so juvenile. Dark Waters is the one acting like he's concerned about money - not Vic.
Cheers, Bobbie
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Post by michaelcorvin on Oct 18, 2018 18:30:53 GMT
If you want to know more about the Dark Waters/Vic Cundiff feud follow to this thread: nadp.freeforums.net/thread/88/dogman-encounters-dark-water-shutdownIn addition, Vic has been very verbally abusive to dogman witnesses that are involved with the NADP, for the sole reason that they were involved with the NADP. For the people that doubt that was Vic Cundiff synthesizing his voice must also take into account that he was accused of creating that channel right after that interview aired with Dark Waters and the channel immediately went dead. Furthermore, Vic's entire interview workflow and communication style is exactly the same.
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Post by beowulf50 on Oct 19, 2018 3:31:45 GMT
I was on vics show and gave my account of my encounter. I've also spoke with Dave multiple times and went with him to show him where my encounter actually happened. There's lots of shows where hosts talk to people who've had encounters and then theres some groups who actively go out and walk the woods doing real investigative work. NADP doesn't just talk the talk. They walk the walk....
Edited to add... I'm actually pretty bummed to hear all this
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Post by Con on Oct 31, 2018 8:40:48 GMT
Just dropping by with my two cents on this. Been following Vic's stuff for a while now, then heard about this drama between him and Dark Waters. I checked out Dark Water's Facebook page and I have to say, it looked very unprofessional and he was acting immature during the whole thing, and still does. It was after that interview with that lady who was taking after the late Art Bell. The way she turned on Vic so suddenly at the end struck me as odd.
I don't know anything about him vs the NADP though, so I can't say anything about that.
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