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Post by somerandomuser on Jan 28, 2021 5:37:08 GMT
Hello Everyone! I have read that the dogman with human legs are possibly the ones who shape shift and the ones with hocks(sp?) are different in that they are not shape shifters. The shape shifters are the ones who fold or hang their clothes so they may use them again when they transform back into a full man or woman. People who witness dogmen wearing torn clothing or clothing that looks too small and torn are thought to be the ones who, for some reason, were not able to remove their clothing prior to shape shifting. I have read that some dogman like to wear red as in red jackets, but there was one story about a dogman eating a little girl's red cap/hat. He didn't harm the little girl yet when the search party found her and she referred to the dogman as "Mr. Wolf." Does anyone have info regarding dogmen and the color red? I remember reading this as well, randomly I run into the story it's from either late 19th century or early 20th century for some reason PNW comes to mind as the setting. I have not heard much in colors having an affect on DM. I am personally not sure but being nocturnal (probably) when hunting I would think rods would be more important as they deal with low light vision, although they may also have cones which can help with bright light/color. If cones are present then they might not be exactly as nocturnal or operate in low light conditions as it seems with many sightings being in the times where less light is present.
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Post by Kiyona on Feb 2, 2021 6:42:03 GMT
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Post by jeritadamson on Feb 2, 2021 13:33:01 GMT
No, I do not think the storyteller is telling the truth, because he is glib and scant on detail or gravitas, as if he is so full of swagger that encountering a goatman is less of interest to us than how he "hauled ass out of there" when it "flanked him." Vic of DER had a guest on last year or so who claimed a family of bigfoot fought a dogman: low-grade storytelling if you ask me. The truth is stranger than fiction, and it makes a dent in the mind, real experiences do, which collects much peripheral data, such that a question generates not a mental reeling and casting about but the mind simply receives the data in plethoras and reports the results of the query without any disruption. The storyteller here glazes over his supposedly juicy encounter with a goatman, as if he runs into bigfoot and "walking wolves" all the time: I think we are better served to expect less glib deliveries and more detail, personally
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Post by Minn watcher on Feb 3, 2021 20:35:32 GMT
I think DOGMAN Encounters With Jeffrey Nadolny is pretty much all fiction. Dixie Cryptid on Youtube seems to try to be more factual. I think Vic at Dogman Encounters tries to get accurate stories for his interviews. That said, some frauds probably do sneak through those last two venues. But enough of them are true to give us all pause.
The truth is out there . . .
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 4, 2021 5:40:44 GMT
Just something overall, take things with a grain of salt.
Some of us really dig and sometimes we find an original story before it hits some channel where it is often times locations will be watered down although sometimes location gives one an idea of what else is in the surrounding area. For example if someone states that in their encounter which occurred in Louisiana and there is nothing about but say "swamps" and after finding the original report you find that there are cattle farms and it's actually got fields in addition to swamps. This matters once again some of really dig and will analyze video or sound also some of us know a thing or two which can help with determining numbers of individual creatures and perhaps take a guess on size. For example in the Dogman Encounters with Jeff Nadolny the Louisiana encounter where there was a video with sound, I extracted the sound only and proceeded to look over the spectrum (frequency) and time which lead me to conclude that there were two different animals there is quite a write up done by a few of us. With a rough distance of the camera and a subject perhaps other reference objects (eg a tree that is 1.5ft in circumference) we can guess (we can be rather close btw) the size of a subject and check if our math is correct with say a tree which we know the size of.
This is not often done in encounter channels, I think that if a channel got some analysts who either already know or could learn audio/video/image analysis that would be excellent and lend data by a non-vested source to corroborate an account. Personally I do believe very much in privacy so I will not look up or try to ferret out exactly who a person is who had an encounter, once again I personally value privacy and honestly looking for data (audio/video/image for analysis) or behavior common in a species. I have a feeling that if there was actual analysis many people might not step forward be it fear that analysis might reveal trickery or because a fear of incorrectly analyzed. Personally I think that the hoaxing keeps people alert (listeners as well as those who analyze) and makes those who analyze audio/video/imagery better and if something is not analyzed properly then mistakes happened, which is a learning opportunity and will further benefit not only those analyzing but also a witness. If an error is made then 100% that error should be disclosed publicly, it's important to be honest not only when you do well but also when you don't. Mistakes or errors in judgement are once again an opportunity to better yourself, be it by changing a process used or understanding of a subject be it technical or reading animals and behavior.
I am not saying disclose the exact coordinates for an encounter but do research on the area of course there is that one guy in the bunch who thinks that they will crack out a trip to the area and who knows what they will do, but then again anyone paying enough attention can take themselves to a hotspot.
Edit: Kiyona I don't trust much of what that gentleman posts, that said I like when there is audio/video or imagery in that channel. Keep the tablespoon and morton's close to hand.
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 4, 2021 19:33:20 GMT
Good points SRU. There is a gullible audience out there who rarely stop to dig into the matter. I occasionally drop by a DM fb group. my gods man, the tripe that folks fall for, not to mention the resident "experts" with all of the answers. I do believe there is a different subset of people in places such as that fb group, and nadlony's followers too--marginally fascinated with cryptid creepiness but not inclined to suss out facts or think too critically about it. And that's fine, it's simply entertainment for them, it's not about finding real answers to the mystery. I've listened to a few encounter reports recently where the subject definitively states that a sound that I know is a pileated woodpecker, is "not normal." Because you've walked down a woods road does NOT make you Ray Mears. Why not admit that you don't know nearly enough about the natural sounds to claim which are unnatural??!?!? Statements like that undermine credibility.
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 4, 2021 23:17:38 GMT
I couldn't agree more. See I wonder if people fall into a dogmatic point of view in regards to dogman or other cryptids. For example some believe they are evil or supernatural or an animal or any other myriad of theories and anything counter to this is quickly discounted. Unfortunately the people who have gotten into a subject and follow one leader do not always go out and learn more I accept this. They are only exposed to one point of view and mix that in with taking anything said as Gospel truth it just leads to a segment being mislead and thus discounting anything in their dogmatic view of dogman or anything else.
In the end I can only be deceived if I allow it, I stay well away from FB and to be honest a lot of even professional forums (IT) tends to be a really toxic place where one ups manship is the order of the day.
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Post by carljenkins on Feb 8, 2021 11:13:22 GMT
I listened to the previous stories from this guest "Luke" of Taylor, Mississippi, about the walking wolves. His original story was already far fetched, yet I was willing to listen. The last update from this Luke, was that he had been recovering after having been accidentally shot by a young "agent" that had been sent to watch him. After a very evil alpha dogman threatened him and possibly threatened his children, he threw in the towel, and decided to sell his house and property and move far away. This was just a few months ago. He was to receive a settlement from the government for being shot, as well as being paid for selling his land. So he has a nice chunk of change, right? Now the update, is that he has now moved to the east coast, and is now working for the forestry service as a park ranger. Wow, after having just been shot just a few months ago. Okay, sure. After all the things he's allegedly seen, he takes a job working in the forest? Seriously? Because supposedly he wants to help people. Big hearted guy. Sure. And now, in just the span of a few months, he befriends a bigfoot, gets threatened by another, larger, more aggressive bigfoot, and narrowly escapes from some goat demon/creature. Seriously? That was the last straw for me. Now, I completely doubt all his other stories. This guy is full of sh!t.
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Post by carljenkins on Feb 8, 2021 11:20:09 GMT
There hasn’t been much activity here lately. I wanted to provide a place for people who like the radio show mentioned in the title of this post/thread. There already exists a thread critical of the host. The host stays out of the way for the most part and tries to help, so far as I can tell. I don’t think he deserves to be any kind of target among people interested in discussing a strange creature, encounters with which are the subject of his radio show. Accordingly, this thread I would like to use for people who want to discuss the often captivating and memorable interviews that the host conducts on his show. I lost all respect for Dogman Encounters after listening to episode 190, 191 and 192 with Brandon Close of "Upper New York state. When you Google Brandon Close you will readily find out he is a career criminal with multiple felonies including beating a toddler. Further research shows he owns no land, is not married which leads to the belief that Cundiff's lackadaisical approach to verifying his guests authenticity is very lacking. We all remember the Khat Hansen debacle. The worst part Cundiff has been made aware of this and refuses to remove the podcasts in question. I understand mistakes can happen and fake people with fake stories slip through but it shows me that Cundiff has zero ethics. Googling someone on the internet does not necessarily mean you found the person that you are searching for. There are literally thousands of people with the same name. Really. Some even born in the same month and the same year.
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 8, 2021 20:49:56 GMT
I lost all respect for Dogman Encounters after listening to episode 190, 191 and 192 with Brandon Close of "Upper New York state. When you Google Brandon Close you will readily find out he is a career criminal with multiple felonies including beating a toddler. Further research shows he owns no land, is not married which leads to the belief that Cundiff's lackadaisical approach to verifying his guests authenticity is very lacking. We all remember the Khat Hansen debacle. The worst part Cundiff has been made aware of this and refuses to remove the podcasts in question. I understand mistakes can happen and fake people with fake stories slip through but it shows me that Cundiff has zero ethics. Googling someone on the internet does not necessarily mean you found the person that you are searching for. There are literally thousands of people with the same name. Really. Some even born in the same month and the same year. This is pretty true, I personally try very hard not to deanonymize guests of shows I personally make it a point to leave the people out. I do this because I respect peoples privacy. Being that cryptozoology is what it is, fully expect that real names are not used and misinformation such as locations, actual family situation and much more would be removed, changed or not mentioned. Researchers often hold back information on encounters perhaps even things which get some level of results. But I do agree that the veracity of an encounter should be checked. there was maybe one or two much older episodes where is sounded like just crazy talk and more recently a couple which sounded nutty as well. I believe that if nothing is better than the crazy or unbelievable then that is what runs remember that views give the creator a supplemental income so even if it's a nutty story it's new views and a certain percentage will listen thus more revenue.
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Post by ag47 on Feb 8, 2021 21:23:25 GMT
Dear God, the dreaded Goatman.......
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Post by Kiyona on Feb 9, 2021 1:51:18 GMT
Dear God, the dreaded Goatman....... Would it be considered cannibalism if I was curious and willing to try out the goat part of the goat man to see if the meat was as good as full fresh goat meat? ..bar b q anyone?
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Post by somerandomuser on Feb 9, 2021 4:50:05 GMT
I think when people really dig and are earnest about finding out information and now are being presented something out of left field well they do get upset, hence why checking the veracity of a report is important. Look my dad was in Vietnam he told me a story that one night they were picking up a LRP after getting these guys (there was a device used a large metal container where they would climb in and it is hoisted under the helicopter I think jungle penetrator I was a kid when told this) but the guys are there and as the helicopters are flying (2 Huey's and 8mi away is gunships) a light heads straight at the helicopter very fast it dodges at the last possible second. It followed them and as they rendezvous with their gunships it took off very fast. My dad is a pretty serious guy and now that I am older I legitimately think he saw something this bright light (UFO) while others may not want to talk about it and it might not be in reports judging the person telling the story/encounter is important. My dad was that guy who jumped from helicopters/planes to pickup downed pilots he was a comedian back then like the time a pilot was shot down and when my dad picked him up all this guy asked was "Is my face alright?" apparently he wanted to know if his good looks are gone, my dad told him "Boy you are all funked up" (n=c) and proceeded to bandage him something fierce, pilot had a small cut but this is my dad. I heard stories randomly from him and I can tell you the wording has very slight changes but it's always the same. Just a quick note about GoatMan I think that the oldest report was from Greece circa 520BCE, there are reports from Europe and even China in addition to America in multiple states. (Humor starts here) But let me propose that it could be real, what is my proof you may ask? Well Goatmen/People would have had to cross through Afghanistan, as walking through Russia would be quite the long way around, and or through surrounding areas, we have no reports from those regions. Could it be in a land and region where goats and sheep are scared and men are men GoatMen/People know better?
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Post by trolljegeren on Feb 15, 2021 15:19:31 GMT
DME episode 67 is pretty good. it's probably already on the list in these pages somewhere... 3 guys fishing the Little Patuxent have very close encounter while "trespassing" inside the fence of Ft Meade.
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Post by Kiyona on Feb 15, 2021 16:20:35 GMT
How about Marvin Allen? He is quite entertaining the way he tells a story, almost childlike. For sure passionate, seems like he believes what he is telling at least. OR he is just a habitual liar who knows how to entertain? I was raised not to lie (get my ass whooped if I got caught lying) so I'm not very good at it and sometimes fooled when people are good at it. I don't mind a story for entertainment, or listening to an audio book, such as Dead Man Talking channel, but I hate when people advertise as true and it's not(I just hope people speak up and call these kind of people out). www.listennotes.com/podcasts/true-encounters-marvin-allen-6GXefckYQZR/
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