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Post by Brandon on Jun 30, 2019 22:59:47 GMT
Oh good! I usually get ridiculed before anyone asks me to elaborate on my point of view. Werewolves. Here's my gripe with most of speculation. We already HAVE a platform for this creature that goes back hundreds, if not thousands, of years. It's there, it's established, and it SEEMS that no one is willing to research it with a grain of salt and the understanding that these people, hundreds of years ago, were just trying to explain the phenomenon based upon their world-view at that time. [snip]. And in conclusion, I don't think we can assume that the transformative element of werewolves can't exist simply based on our current worldview. Just because we don't understand the mechanics of something doesn't mean it doesn't happen (go ahead, tell me how gravity works ). These things are huge, freaky, allegedly display both canine and human tenancies, and have been whispered of for the better part of 2000 years. We need to stop acting like this is some breeding population of apex predator, living under our very noses, that we don't know about; if this is a purely-animalistic death machine that could easily eat a human without conscious thought, it would probably be doing so more often, and we'd probably know about it.
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Post by ag47 on Jun 30, 2019 23:58:34 GMT
That's what I think too.
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Post by jackstagger on Jul 1, 2019 11:44:17 GMT
I really wonder if more than a few sightings could be a wild canid who's front legs have been injured and they were forced to walk on their hind legs to survive as predators or scavengers. Wolves are smart as heck, coyotes not as much but still clever enough to figure it out I bet. It might even give them a pack advantage of some sort, evolution gives a great advantage to those of us who are able to see further by standing up, and successful behaviour in the pack would spread within reason. Whether such an adaptation is within reason would be a good question I cannot answer. This likely happened far in the past, and what we call dogman is just a leap in behavioural evolution which is "floating" a breakaway variation of the species.
Reminds me of this old joke: One day the VA DNR calls the WVA DNR and says, "We got one of your coyotes over here, got himself stuck in one of our traps. You gonna come get it?". The WVA DNR then asked defiantly, "How do you know it's one of our coyotes?". The VA DNR replies, "He's chewed off three of his legs trying to get out and it's still stuck in the trap".
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Post by Con on Jul 9, 2019 22:31:13 GMT
That's a good point jackstagger , in the heat of the moment I'm sure a few people have seen something like that and gone "Werewolf!" Interesting theory about it being a breakaway variation. It's possible, although if it is, they're very smart for upright wolves. My theory is that they're essentially just wolf people and are something that evolved long ago, along with Sasquatch. It's also the less sp00ky theory.
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Post by Bex on Aug 2, 2019 17:00:23 GMT
I believe after a year of listening to Dogman Encounter Radio (Vic Cubdiff hosts), these are obviously flesh and blood. I’ve heard accounts of military using high pitched silent frequency devices to ward them off. So the government has an agency designed to handle them.
If you research and I give you a legit investigative researchers name (Linda Moulton Howe) you’ll find supporting theory advanced races visited this planet and had there own hybridisation programs, they were splicing geneticists with a purpose to create advanced species and on various planets. (There was a leaked briefing with Regan explaining this is the claim of captured Zeta Reticlae race (go to project serious or Linda moulton howe YouTube where she reads this out and goes over the credibility of it). Please do your own research).
So I have come to feel true that these Dogman are a result of an advanced cloning hybridisation program from eons ago from an advanced Race of beings/aliens/people?
What get me is these things are beyond intelligent and many eye witness reports have said they were aware of the Dogman projecting feeling and series of words or thought to them in a communication. That would mean they are telepathic which is an advanced form of communication. Others have said they follow them home and peer in the windows at them. Jiggle there door knobs or throw dead animals at the side of the house. I would go as far to say they are at our or more intelligence level.
Pray to god I never find out first hand.
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Post by virtusblack on Aug 3, 2019 3:27:12 GMT
I think our understanding of "spirits" is what makes this so confusing... The native americans say that bigfoot is a spirit, but they know damned well he throws rocks and steals women and eats stuff and even craps in the woods... "Spirtual" does not translate to "ethereal"... I think it more translates to extra dimensional. They can come in and out, maybe they show up as an orb or travel into our sphere that way, but once they're manifested baby it's on, bad breath, stinking urine, teeth, claws blood and everything nasty physical in your face real.
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Post by Eoin on Aug 5, 2019 14:20:25 GMT
I think our understanding of "spirits" is what makes this so confusing... The native americans say that bigfoot is a spirit, but they know damned well he throws rocks and steals women and eats stuff and even craps in the woods... "Spirtual" does not translate to "ethereal"... I think it more translates to extra dimensional. They can come in and out, maybe they show up as an orb or travel into our sphere that way, but once they're manifested baby it's on, bad breath, stinking urine, teeth, claws blood and everything nasty physical in your face real. I’m of the same mindset. From a tribal standpoint “spirit” also means “sacred”. As with the Lakota “Wakan”.
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Post by DogFlabber on Oct 12, 2019 20:31:17 GMT
I think they are the Nephilim or Djinn, that takes on a flesh and blood form, with super natural powers or abilities, I believe that they can travel for 250-300 miles without water or food. I also believe that Bigfoot and Dog Man are the same entity. Djinn are shape shifters and if you read a book about them you will see that their character is exactly the same as what people are reporting about Big Foot.
This sentence is just speculation on my part. I believe that they can make them selves invisible when they want to. On more than one report I have read that BF are seen shaking their heads back and forth real fast, and I think this has something to do with a type of vibration that makes a frequency that makes them become transparent, or semi transparent.
I think that they hate humanity and would like to kill us but are being controlled by a demonic entity, that has not given them permission to harm us, but on occasion they loose control of themselves and do kill people, but this is very rare. I also believe that they are telepathic and can know what you are thinking if you let them, and that praying is you best defense against them if you have an encounter, and just ask them to leave, and I believe that they feed on fear, and they induce an enormous amount of fear into those they come in contact with.
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Post by simplymike on Nov 1, 2019 19:40:35 GMT
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Post by ag47 on Nov 1, 2019 21:37:08 GMT
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Post by balchr89 on Dec 23, 2019 2:24:02 GMT
I tend to be in the flesh and blood crowd. My line of thinking is simply if it Eats, Breaths, Breeds, Bleeds, Drinks and Sleeps. It's Flesh and Blood, though I do agree that there is more going on. Shape Shifters have a long history in lore and anyone thats spent time in the Paranormal Field knows that entities can show themselves however they choose. I tend to classify these things accordingly. I think that what people commonly report is simply an unrecognized canine species. I would say that legitimate Lycanthropes and Entities make up a very small portion of whats encountered. I tend to put Type 3s into the Lycanthrope category, If the eyes glow red without artificial light being applied we're dealing with either a Lycanthrope or an entity. Wights are known to behave in this way to protect whatever they're protecting. Lycans and Bipedal Canines been spotted together too, Though to what degree they tolerate each other is a matter for debate. To me occupying the same space doesn't equate to them being the same species. As for entities in 9-10 years of paranormal investigation and and research. I've seen several cases where entities of the human and nonhuman variety have appeared as "werewolves" injuries sustained by the victim didnt correlate with what such a creature would/could do. I think we're still in the infancy of this topics research and there is a lot going. I just dont think it's the same thing going on every time. I think that slapping a one size fits all label is damaging to the research as well. Who knows in 15-20 years we could have enough to say one way or another. BUT to get there we're gonna have to open mind it and not focus on proving our pet theories right.
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Post by rstevens on Jan 4, 2020 19:46:57 GMT
Im new to this board, but have been following the Dog man phenomena for a couple years now.
I believe there are a few different types out there, and I find it interesting, they all pretty much look alike. I do believe there are some that are people, that are either under a curse or some kind of affliction, that allows them to morph and change shape, there was an incident in my area back in the 80s and it was seen wearing human clothing, the snout and teeth, and large nose was seen, but witnesses claim the face also had human features.
I think I may have known a person associated with this too, although I didnt know what it was at the time, this happened back when I was in middle school, and the boy I am talking about was a friend of a friend, and I was at his house one time with them, I wasnt really friends with him, but he was hanging out with friends that I hung out with, there were some strange things going on in that house and the people that lived there, thinking back to those days, I do believe this boy had this curse/affliction as well as the other 8-10 people that lived in the same house.
I have kicked around the idea of contacting Vic Cundiff and talking about this, but Im not sure I can tell the story in a way that if certain people were listening, they would instantly know who I am, I want to avoid that.
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Post by jasur on Jan 6, 2020 5:51:36 GMT
Im new to this board, but have been following the Dog man phenomena for a couple years now. I believe there are a few different types out there, and I find it interesting, they all pretty much look alike. I do believe there are some that are people, that are either under a curse or some kind of affliction, that allows them to morph and change shape, there was an incident in my area back in the 80s and it was seen wearing human clothing, the snout and teeth, and large nose was seen, but witnesses claim the face also had human features. I think I may have known a person associated with this too, although I didnt know what it was at the time, this happened back when I was in middle school, and the boy I am talking about was a friend of a friend, and I was at his house one time with them, I wasnt really friends with him, but he was hanging out with friends that I hung out with, there were some strange things going on in that house and the people that lived there, thinking back to those days, I do believe this boy had this curse/affliction as well as the other 8-10 people that lived in the same house. I have kicked around the idea of contacting Vic Cundiff and talking about this, but Im not sure I can tell the story in a way that if certain people were listening, they would instantly know who I am, I want to avoid that. Welcome to the board, I'm new as well.
Your post caught my attention, can you elaborate more on this acquaintance of yours? It's fascinating to think that the dogman phenomena might be linked with individuals who might be damned/hexed in some way.
As for the dogman, I tend to agree with others in this thread that dogman is a flesh, and blood creature. However, like bigfoot, dogman might be some kind of inter-dimensional creature.
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Post by ISK8pdFrmaLab on Mar 27, 2020 6:05:11 GMT
Alright, its been a while and my studies have gone a bit deeper. Works by Linda Godfrey, Montague Summers and others run down several very old (ancient even) veins. We as this modern group have discussed already, and one or two hit upon the werewolfery camp.
If dogmen are indeed werewolves, there is no doubt witchcraft involved. Many top scholars have already established this long ago, no need to rehash it here. I hesitate to include the source books for reasons that will become obvious shortly below.
However, what I found particularly interesting about this were the following details I never knew before.
1. The person undergoing the ritual does not physically change; there is a ‘glamour’ or illusion that surrounds the person’s naked body, which to all observers appears as the monstrous werewolf body. Basically, a magical skin suit surrounds them, created and held in place by something very nasty that agrees to grant the human a temporary power. I will not go further into what the human must do beforehand in order to accomplish this agreement.
2. The person inside the illusory skin also sees and believes themself to have shape shifted, but what is actually happening is a kind of possession. Something has taken control of the mental process, and is driving the person like a vehicle.
3. The flesh of this ritual is human, enhanced by black magical energy or other force, which bends the rules of our reality for a time. Wounds can and do appear on the human’s body, corresponding to the wounds given to the illusory werewolf construct skin. Some accounts state plainly the ritualist suffers great damage from running around the wilderness naked, and when the spell ends, find such serious wounds occur that the people were difficult to recognize afterwards.
4. During the duration of this ‘driving’ there is greatly enhanced physical agility, speed and endurance which is simply not humanly possible. The outside force adds its energy while driving. When the spell ends, the human is exhausted, cut, scratched, bloody, confused and requires a recovery period during which time brain activity and body control resume.
5. Wolf imagery is not the only skin glamour to occur; bats, hyenas, and other strange illusory hybrids are well documented for thousands of years across many cultures. But the wolf image is important to the driving forces for many biblical reasons, which you all may infer as you will. I need not go deep here, nor will I.
6. This ritual is highly secret, and those knowing or having access to the drivers will never reveal it. Even though it does great harm to the human vessel, and has only one apparent effect, which is to cause as more harm.
In summary, I stand by my first post, that these things are indeed flesh and blood. But I never knew they were simply humans, enhanced through very old spell craft, and quite disgusting. Please be safe, I hope none of us never encounters one of these ridden people. There is something extra nasty at the controls.
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Post by trolljegeren on Mar 28, 2020 22:17:12 GMT
ISK8pdFrmaLab, Interesting synopsis! Would you be willing to message me your sources? Aleister Crowley mentions in his Magick In Theory and Practice of "works of fascination" such as invisibility and transformations "This consists of distracting the attention or disturbing the judgement of the person it is wished to deceive" "There are however "real" transformations of the adept himself which are very useful." These apparently are described in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Crowley states that the "assumption of god-forms(Anubis!) can be carried to the point of actual transformation. These rites aren't necessarily black magic, but worship of ancient gods. I assume they may "work" along similar lines as those you mentioned above though for different ends.
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