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Post by Wolfhound on Jan 21, 2018 23:13:13 GMT
jolly Roger; your post on this thread at 3:52am on 4 Oct.2016 reads "Giant Lemurs". Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what evidence lead you to that conclusion. Calling the evidence posted here "garbage", and calling us "brainwashed" and "brain-dead" is not productive and it's just plain malicious. I would like to hear your explanation and examine any evidence you have that suggest that they are giant lemurs.
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Post by ag47 on Jan 22, 2018 0:51:46 GMT
Malicious posts will not be tolerated.
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 6, 2018 19:58:08 GMT
Happy New year to all! I was just listening to episode 184 of Vic's show. I listened to the recorded howls several times, and while I'm NOT drawing any conclusions, they were far different from what I was expecting to hear. If you guys have a chance, listen to the recording played on the show and compare it to this: youtu.be/SMMT5kxE2OAThe two seem quite similar to me, and I'd like to hear other opinions. Let me restate clearly that I am making no claims of any kind regarding the show's guest or his recording other than that I found it surprising.
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Post by ag47 on Feb 6, 2018 20:17:00 GMT
youtu.be/VygfuB1USws?t=44m37sI could not find Coffee Road in NY. Kept turning up a bunch of coffee houses. Made me want a cup of coffee If you find it on a map, would you please post it here? THX
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 7, 2018 2:04:31 GMT
www.mapquest.com/search/results?query=coffee%20rd,%20trout%20creek,%20NY&boundingBox=44.409535309809364,-75.29621601104736,44.39524747603018,-75.2583646774292&page=0 Took awhile, but I found it on MapQuest. Back in the late 80's we used to hunt fairly close to that area. It is every bit as sparsely populated as it looks on the map, with vast tracts of deep forest.
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Post by ag47 on Feb 10, 2018 14:08:02 GMT
As to the general topic, "What is a Dogman?" (not related to Whitefeather's post) Here is some wild rumination, so bear with me: I was reading an article on how surviving war and chaos will tax everyone's preparedness to the max and beyond. For some background, the writer, who calls himself Selco, survived the Bosnian war and lived in a Mad Max sort of scenario for quite a while. He is now training people to prepare to survive such events. So I read his articles with interest because, if he's authentic (and I think he is) he is a person who actually survived one of the worst case scenarios we could face. In the comments of that article there was the requisite zealous religious comment. Most of those I just ignore because they are made by people claiming to have the 'inside track' with God and I think they're just misled. However, one thing in this comment stood out, and here it is: A lot have speculated that dogman might be the result of some kind of genetic experimentation. That's all it is, speculation, but it's interesting what this person said. Makes ya wonder. If you look back at history, there are tons of drawings, art, and sculptures depicting half-man half-beast creatures. There are some who believe that the entities referred to in Genesis 6 were angels who voluntarily left/renounced their place in heaven to come down and bear offspring with human women. They were also depicted as messing around with beasts, and creating things that shouldn't be. Maybe some of these beasts were woven into legends and stories. Maybe some material survived, or maybe we're at a point in history where we are able to re-create some of those 'experiments.' Like I said, this is just a flight of fancy, not one shred of verifiable evidence. The article's interesting too, here is the link (has nothing to do with dogman) if you want to read it: www.survivaldan101.com/hardcore-beyond-shtf/
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Post by Wolfhound on Feb 10, 2018 19:03:11 GMT
ag47,I've read Selco's blog,and I've read postings on "prepper" websites by someone calling himself "Arizona". Arizona claims to have special insight into the Biblical "End Times",and it's evident in that excerpt you posted. All of Arizona's postings concern future events in the USA in the "End Times". I can't say whether or not he has some knowledge of future events that we do not possess. I have no doubt that there are countries experimenting with genetic engineering geared toward warfare. History shows that if a weapon is created,it will most likely be used. However,it seems unlikely that something like Dogmen would be released by any country into an area which is being invaded by their own combat troops;they would have the same problems dealing with the creatures as the enemy troops and local populace would. It would make more sense to release them first and let them "soften up" the defense,and then invade, encountering less resistance and wiping out the creatures as the troops advance. It's possible some Dogmen may turn out to be genetically engineered creatures, designed as weaponry, who were purposely or accidentally released,or who managed to escape their confinement. At this point we just don't know what they are. I'm still waiting for a posting from "jolly roger",regarding his evidence that proves that Dogmen are giant lemurs.
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Post by ag47 on Feb 10, 2018 19:12:59 GMT
- Wolfhound -
I'm not saying I believe the person, Arizona, just that it is an intriguing idea that some of these cryptids might be the outcome of genetic manipulation, and it's one I've considered & still am considering. The science is definitely being experimented with.
I only put it here because it is an intriguing idea (and to throw something out there, because there's not much happening on here). Not really expecting any proof.
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Post by bryanb on Feb 11, 2018 15:51:39 GMT
Ag,I am far from a god fearing, and religious person... Though, one thing to consider if there is any truth in the bible the angels were not beautiful beings that looked like human perfection, dressed in white and glowing halos.
Weren't they known for saying, "Fear not" upon showing themselves to human, because the sight of them would cause humans to drop in terror?
The "Book of Enoch" is an interesting read, who's to say the angels do not look like the dog men and sasquach?
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 11, 2018 18:03:24 GMT
If I may relate your post to mine, AG47, In my opinion the recorded howls I mentioned seem closer to lion or bear vocalizations than they do wolves.
I think it's reasonable to assume that the predatory foreign policies implemented by the U.S. since the close of WW2 have provided adequate impetus for other governments, who cannot compete with the U.S. using conventional warfare methods, to utilize resources pursuing unconventional methods. Beyond that, there is a documented history of attempts to crossbreed and weaponize hybrid animals. The Nazi's tried to have female Jewish prisoners impregnated with the sperm of German shepherd dogs (and who knows what else). If I remember correctly at one point Russia was experimenting with increasing the intelligence and control of Apes in an attempt to use them as shock troops.
I don't know about you guys, but I would find a cadre of armed gorillas marching along with military precision pretty damned shocking.
What I'm trying to say is, " Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever's left, no matter how improbable, is the truth.", and so far we haven't even formulated useful parameters for what is impossible because nothing like a full range of truthful information is available to us. AG47's "wild" speculations are as likely to be correct as any other hypothesis at this point.
One thing I'm almost certain of is that a long road lies before us and there's no guarantee any of us will reach the end.
R.I.P. JC Johnson
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Post by ag47 on Feb 11, 2018 19:23:27 GMT
Thanks Whitefeather, Bryanb, and Wolfhound.
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 11, 2018 20:27:36 GMT
Not to beat a dead horse, so to speak, but did anyone listen to the recorded howls on Vic's show?
Did they sound wolf-like? Not asking for an in-depth audio analysis, just initial thoughts on hearing them.
I listened repeatedly, and they just did not bring "wolf" to my mind. In fact, it's because they sounded so unwolf-like to me that I replayed it multiple times.
Thanks
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Post by ag47 on Feb 11, 2018 20:47:21 GMT
Sorry, Whitefeather, I should have posted on that (not been with it the past few days). I did listen, and just listened again. I agree it doesn't sound wolflike. It sounds too deep and resonant to me. Like a much larger animal. youtu.be/VygfuB1USws?t=44m37sAlso, yes indeed RIP J.C. Johnson. I watched a lot of his videos and he was an interesting & intelligent person who delved into things. I feel we lost a good explorer, investigator, and community member.
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Post by whitefeather on Feb 12, 2018 14:14:28 GMT
Thanks for the input, AG47. That's the same impression I got, that the howls were too deep, and why I started looking for vocalizations by other animals. The one I shared of the Whitetail buck was meant as an example. I wasn't trying to debunk the recording, unless it was hoaxed it's a genuine recording of an animal vocalization. The question being what animal?
Regarding the Marlboro county incident, does anyone know the timespan for the eight German shepherd killings? I ask because I've owned purebred shepherds in the past, the last two were 94 and 105 pounds respectively. Aside from being fairly large dogs, canines are pack hunters by nature, and I can't think of a single known predator that would be inclined to intentionally attack a group of them. Doing so successfully is far beyond the capabilities of any lone North American predator, except possibly the largest bears (mature brown or polar), in my opinion.
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Post by Wolf's rain on Feb 13, 2018 23:18:34 GMT
Hey guys.I have also played that dogman howl over and over again and here is what I have come up with. Would an evolved wolf-like creature have such a deep sounding howl.? I don't know, Seeing how we don't have a creature here on earth to compare it too. Also, Would an evolved wolf vocal cords be located where a human vocal cords would be, Lower in the throat like a human ones are, Where an animal's vocal cords are higher up in there throats. Again, Don't know. But the recording of the howl doesn't sound fake, It sounds real to me.
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