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Post by Dogmanistrator on Sept 11, 2016 13:29:00 GMT
Greetings!
This thread is to share your belief as to what a Dogman might be. Some folks thinks it's a Native American Spirit, shape shifting apparition, alien, demon or simply a flesh and blood living animal.
So what do you think it is?
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Post by wolf kin on Sept 27, 2016 19:06:18 GMT
Whatever they are, I hope that everyone on your team will approach these beings with a sense of respect and coexistence. According to the Indians, these creatures were here before the European settlers came. Whatever they are, or are not, these dog men don't seem to be very happy with people. Much of the forested areas here in the United States have been cut down. Whether dog men are aggressive or not, these are their homelands. I certainly hope that people have taken this idea into consideration. We are not hunting down monsters here, but learning more about an indigenous area of life, that is perhaps frustrated and struggling to coexist with our modern developments. People killed of the majority of wolves in these lands, and it's fortunate for these dog men that they are advanced enough to stay ahead of our hatred, fear and reckless attitudes. We came to these lands, and have seriously stepped on the paws of dog men everywhere. Anyone with an ounce of decency and respect can understand why they confront people with their angry attitudes. I for one don't blame them for being upset. Lots of people are scared of these dog men, but people are not all saints and heroes either. Some people have a hard time understanding what it means to put your heart down on the rail road tracks for another life form, when all most people know how to do is support and care about each other. These dog men have likely been watching us destroy their natural habitats for decades. A little bit of passive caring is not a bad thing to include with our research, and who is to say that one day, we may even be able to interact with their kind in ways we didn't think were possible. They have advanced abilities and advanced intelligence. They even have the capacity to give people an attitude at times. That alone should tell people, we are not in the presence of mere monsters, but in the presence of a master of life. A little respect and passiveness may go much farther, than people's tendency to shoot at them, when confronted with a growl or just out of fear. The more we disrespect them, the more they will take it upon themselves to disrespect us, as they are already upset with human kind, and they are not going to let us in on any of their secrets when we are approaching them with arrogance and dominance. We just need to relax and back off a bit. I have watched videos of guys carrying around guns, cocky attitudes, and trying to trap these creatures. They are not going to find anything out that way. I think these dog men are alot more intuitive than people realize, and their capacity to interact with us on a more amiable note, may not be as far fetched as some people may think. They say you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I'm not referring to these dog men as flies, monsters, or evil beings, I'm just saying, if you truly want to discover something extraordinary about something, sometimes you have to approach something softly, with a little bit of respect, submissiveness, and even perhaps, a touch of caring. A complete attitude change towards these beings could open up a whole new window of discovery and understanding regarding one of the most mysterious phenomenons of our past time. There are few things in this world that excite me as much as the thought of trying to communicate with one of these dog men under the light of a full moon, just trying to talk to them, interact with them, and seeing how they react and interact with us. They don't seem to generally harm people, as long as you don't upset them, and the fact that they are more seemingly intelligent than your average mountain lion or black bear, I trust them enough, based on those 2 facts, that would put my fears at ease enough to actually approach them. Most people fear, "flip out", or run away when they see one of these creatures. How often do people when confronted by one of these dog men actually stand their ground calmly, respectfully and try to make some kind of "conversation" or interaction with them? In order to embrace the extraordinary, sometimes we have to look beyond our average ways of thinking and reasoning if we are to take ourselves to the next level of life. Tell me honestly, the last time someone made friends with yellow jackets, by smacking their hive with a stick, or even carrying the stick in their hand?
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Post by Dogmanistrator on Sept 28, 2016 10:36:14 GMT
Couldnt agree more. Well said.
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Post by Jolly roger on Oct 4, 2016 7:52:19 GMT
Giant Lemurs.
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Post by wolf kin on Oct 17, 2016 17:02:57 GMT
Does anyone know why fudge road in the German town Ohio area is closed? Are they researching dog men there?
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Post by Wolf kin on Oct 18, 2016 21:53:25 GMT
Interesting crow. I have been visiting dog man sighting areas for 4 years. I interact with the dog men very softly, and to date, I have never been confronted aggressively, and I carry no weapon. I am just unique. Many people talk bad about these dog men, and I became seriously upset by this, since the malevolence of man has wiped out many species of animal life, I just had to find out for myself, if these dog men are monsters like they say, or nothing more than frustrated biological creatures that have been crowded out by humans. I have not seen one yet, but many audible encounters later over the course of 4 years tells me there is something else out there than just average animals. I am a very secluded individual myself, don't really make friends with people. My visits to dog man areas have become something special for me. I'm a bachelor of 44 yrs, so my ties with people are slim at best. I just go when the inspiration hits me. Seeing one of them first hand is a dream of mine. I've seen pictures of them on the internet, however authentic said pictures are, and also the way people describe them gives me a fair idea of what they look like. As far as scary goes, I have always had a thing for werewolves, so the idea of seeing one in real life does not really spook me as much as it would most others. I would be more awed and honored than anything to see one. I have written a very large article about dog men and my encounters with them, that keeps growing with each new experience. Most would not believe me, and that is fine. Not everyone believes that there are multi billionaires out there, but there are a few. Some people just have a way about them, that allows them to experience things in life that no one else would know how to go about it. I don't have any theories to share with people here. What I say here comes from my heart, and is what I have personally experienced out there. Courage does not come easy, and its very easy for people to speculate about things, but until you actually get out there and mingle with dog men, in a way that is not threatening, dominating or cocky, but instead, just submitting yourself to them, being respectful and passive, you might just be surprised how passive they react when you are passive. That has been my personal experience. I may be the very first one that has ever tried to do this, and the amazing thing is, they let me know they are there in different ways, but I have not been confronted aggressively yet. Summer is winding down now, but next spring, will start a whole new year of adventures and experiences. You will never know about the unknown until you find the courage to embrace it. That is how we learn. I do not recommend for anyone to go interacting with dog men, because I have a very specific way that I go about it, which has yielded positive results for me. Also, the feelings that you emit from your spirit, I believe have a lot to do with how they approach and react to people. If you fear them, they can feel that. If you trust them, act respectful, and share feelings of unity with them, I think they can sense that too. They are very intelligent and intuitive, which is one of the reasons why I trust them. These dog men are not like facing a black bear or a mountain lion. They have advanced thinking, they can reason, evaluate, learn new things, etc.
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Post by Wolf kin on Nov 9, 2016 7:34:50 GMT
I just watched a dogman video, about a guy wearing the special dogman shirt. I was horrified by how vile this guy was towards dogman and werewolves. Is that what this is all about, to destroy these creatures? I can't describe just how much this upsets me. I will be working more closely with Dogmen than ever before. I will not allow this human malevolence towards non humans to cause anymore pain And suffering to alreas of life that can't defend themselves. That,s the last straw. You have pushed me over the edge. Google me as zaywolf. I'm shaking so bad with disdain towards the treachery of mankind towards non humans I can't hardly hold on to my phone. Humans Are the monsters. They have been for years. This planet is occupied by many different forms of life. Dogmen are just as entitled to life as we are. I will not be confronting people with guns. I am not the violent type, but that video really put the true nature of man into perspective for me. While people hunt down monsters, I will be working on more important agendas, such as restoring the natural balance of life here on planet earth, and people Are not responsible enough to work on this themselves, and so then, I turn to nature's inhabitants for help and guidance. Dogmen are not my enemies, people are. Humans are the enemies of life itself. The future of life here on planet earth now rests in the paws of the hunted. I stand next to life, I stand next to Dogmen, I stand next to nature and planet earth.
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Post by Wolf kin on Nov 10, 2016 6:13:58 GMT
My computer broke so all I have to do internet with is my smart phone. Look me up on Google as zaywolf. The video is on my Google page closer to the top. Have to go to work, think and cry. If dogmen were exclusively aggressive I would not even be alive today to share my experiences. My last experience was in German town Ohio, and I had two encounters the same night. The one dogman was possibly trying to get my attention for a meeting. I heard that when people encounter dogmen there seems to be this connection of some sort, like they start encountering them more frequently. Personally, I'm being tracked by them. I think the Dogmen know where im at all the time like GPS because of the telepathic experience I had with one. For an individual like myself, it is comforting knowing that they are around, and watching over me. I'm 44 and way different from anyone else. I've had things shared with me in dreams about dogmen, which I have read stories about that.
The administrator of this website won't likely leave me a reply because he probably doesn't care about dogmen like I do. Most are just interested and could care less about an area of life that is perhaps upset and frustrated. That video made me so upset. Most people don't realize I have been in close contact with Dogmen for almost 4 years now. I may not be a dogman expert, but what I do have is the heart and courage to face them on a foundation of acceptance, trust and respect. My stories are about my personal experiences with Dogmen while being out there "with them", not just speculation or ideas.
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Post by Wolfkin on Nov 15, 2016 18:01:14 GMT
Thanks for your response crow. Just the idea of hundreds of people going to the woods with guns ready to shoot these dogmen, in all sincerely, I can't begin to explain how much that turns my stomach. I mean come on people. Dogmen have been here for a long time, and through no fault of their own, and perhaps beyond their control, these lands have changed a lot. They may be scary and aggressive towards people at times, but have a heart. This is their home too, and I also cry for them, because I realize what a hateful species they are up against, and it's also just so amazing that they are here.
I'm actually worried sick about them, because these wild individuals, and I call them individuals because they are not your average wild animals, are having to deal with a modern world full of fearful, angry and misunderstanding human beings.
It's great that people are interested in dogmen, but there is no need for people to be hateful towards dogmen. Perhaps there is a dogman out there that gets ugly on someone once in a while, but those are isolated events. I don't believe that dog men just go looking to make trouble with people, as I'm sure they would not want thousands of people hunting them down. We can work with them, and the fact that they seem to be along the lines of us intelligence wise, along with my own interactions with them proves to me at least, that they are somewhat open to passive interactions with us, if we reach out to them in a positive manner. Several times I have encountered special things while spending time in dogman areas, and am always so touched by the way they make themselves known to me and also how passive they have been to me.
They are indigenous to these lands and I also want to protect them as well. Whenever I experience a dogman at close range, I talk to them and share my feelings with them, but I don't get any closer to where I hear them at because I respect them. This coming summer, I am going to get closer to them, because I also want them to know that not all people dislike them. I think it might mean a lot to them if they know someone cares about them, because I know how much I love their company when they push over trees and make interested sounds and gestures to let me know they are there. It is very special to me. If dogmen were blatantly aggressive like people say, I would not be here to share this.
For anyone that is interested in my dogman experiences, Google me as zaywolf. Be warned though, I am a heavy supporter of nature, and the non human aspects of our world. There are other things among us that are just as entitled to life as we are. Have a heart people, be just, and don't overlook the wrongs that people have committed towards other areas of life.
Zay
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Post by Wolfkin on Nov 15, 2016 18:43:53 GMT
And another point I'd like to make is the 100 or more cases of "unknown canine" killing someone. There are many murders committed by humans against other people, so as you can see, dogmen are not the only aggressive species that confront people, and murders by unknown canines are far less than the thousands of crimes committed by people each year. The idea of a dogman harming someone is big news to people, but seriously, humans are hardly without fault themselves. If I was a wild being that lived in the woods and someone took a shot at me, I would probably go ballistic. Also since dogmen are intelligent, I am sure they know that people are not a very gracious species. Think of all the things that dogmen have witnessed over the years. Mentally, they could be feeling very stressed out. It's only natural to be curious about the world around us, but along with our research we need to exercise respect and compassion towards them as well.
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Post by White Feather on Nov 18, 2016 0:08:15 GMT
Hello ag47,
I just found this group and have no idea how active the forum is. For myself, I am an amateur naturalist and became interested in the Skunk ape when I moved to Florida in 2012. I learned about Dogmen from Vic Cundiff's radio show and decided to check out NADP to see if it might be worth joining as a field investigator.
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Post by White Feather on Nov 18, 2016 12:46:44 GMT
Hello Crow and thanks for the response,
Being an amateur Naturalist, my approach to Skunk ape and Dogman is somewhat different from yours. I enjoy spending time in the field and am not a tech guy. I hope we can have a mutually beneficial correspondence. At this point I have no intention to kill such an animal, merely learn about it. However, in the interest of transparency, my background includes decades of hunting experience, part of my career was in law enforcement, and I've shot handguns competitively in two disciplines. I never go into the field unarmed. I mention this because some people have a moral objection to a researcher carrying firearms. My stance is that even without cryptids there are enough potential threats to my well-being to justify being armed. I am certainly not a "shoot first and ask questions later" kind of guy and hopefully this won't be a point of contention between us.
I don't know anything about the DARPA experiments but now you've caught my interest. I would love to discuss your point of view on the Skunk ape. I was able to visit the sight of a reported encounter close to where I live and found a number of inconsistencies regarding what was reported. As it stands, my position is that of an open-minded skeptic. This seems the most reasonable approach to the phenomena.
I look forward to hearing from you again.
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Post by White Feather on Nov 19, 2016 5:11:35 GMT
ag47 and Crow,
Plan? Not at all, just a curious mind and a working hypothesis. Yes, I am comfortable in the outdoors and enjoy solo camping very much. My hypothesis is the same as Crow's regarding the Skunk ape. During the first half of the twentieth century it was common for travelling circuses to winter here in Florida. There are documented instances of chimpanzees and possibly orangutans escaping into the countryside. The climate here is very similar to that of known Chimpanzee habitat. Since most people have no idea how large adult chimps get it's not a great leap to consider them a prime suspect in the sightings. I am aware of one encounter which took place 70 miles west of Jacksonville where a feral "monkey" was seen by a number of people. Apparently the animal became frightened and climbed a tree where it stayed for several hours. Both a police officer and the local animal control officer identified it as an orangutan. After nightfall it left the tree unseen and was not captured. Where it came from was never determined. I've also had a good look at copies of the two "Myakka ape" photos and they are reminiscent of an adult chimp displaying fear or aggression. Chimpanzees are territorial, which makes them a danger to anyone who wanders into their range as they are eminently capable of killing a human being. If there is a feral population in Florida it benefits everyone to expose it. That pretty much sums up my four years of now-and-then research into this phenomenon to date.
Dogman is a horse of a different color. I don't have a handle on it at all yet. What piques my interest most is the seeming inconsistencies in the reports. To my knowledge, by all accounts this is a flesh and blood animal that eats, drinks, leaves tracks, and breathes. I also know that an animal in the 400lb. range, hit center of mass with a 130gr Rem. bronzepoint fired from a .270 rifle does not survive long regardless of musculature or bone structure. Yet this is exactly what was reported as happening on one of Vic's episodes. This paradox is intriguing, logic tells us that it is either a biological entity or it is not. Even some demonic crossbreed cooked up in a government lab would be susceptible to injury, while a non-biological creature would have no need of food as we know it or water. I do agree with you ag47 that the universe holds more mystery than we can conceive, but I also believe the universe is governed by natural law, which doesn't allow for such paradoxes.
Any thoughts or opinions are welcome, particularly if you have a coherent theory that contradicts mine. I find that I learn more from listening to people who don't agree with me and won't be offended in the slightest by differing viewpoints.
If either of you would like to contact me directly my email is: vdc9119@aol.com
We should probably discuss the Skunk ape outside of this forum.
Peace, White Feather
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Post by Crow on Nov 19, 2016 5:55:48 GMT
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Post by White Feather on Nov 20, 2016 14:06:59 GMT
Crow,
I checked out a couple of the links. Honestly had no idea gene-splicing had gotten this far. Nightmare fuel for sure.
Could you and ag47 maybe do something for me? At 5:50 in episode 120 of Dogman encounters there is a photo of a set of tracks. Something about the gait strikes me as being off. There is a photo here on the evidence page of a set of tracks in the snow that doesn't seem right to me either. I'd appreciate it if you guys took a look at them and let me know what you think. Maybe it's just me.
Thanks, White Feather
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